Prime Jack Johnson outboxes and KOs Wilder in mid rounds

sure

 

I'm not a wilder fan but he's too big and hits too hard.

Remember Jack Johnson was KO'd by a supper middle weight ( Joe Choynski ) floored by a middle weight ( Stanley Ketchel ) and according to primary sources out boxed by another one in Jack O'Brien.

Jack was a better in-fighter than out fighter. I think Wilder caps him.

 

Too much size difference.

The earliest guy who'd take out Wilder is Joe Louis

 

As much as I like Wilder he makes too many mistakes to beat a Prime Johnson. If Stiverne can time Wilder with left hooks and counter rights and neutralize Wilder's powershots Johnson would embarrass Wilder. Also, Johnson wouldn't have any problem outjabbing Wilder. Willard was a legit 6'6" while Wilder's closer to 6'5" and he has the same reach as Wilder and was getting outjabbed and outboxed by a past prime Johnson for almost 20 rounds before his age caught up with him. Willard had a right hand just as good as Wilder's, but had more polished boxing skills.

Also, guys with Wilder's height, power, and reach weren't uncommon even in Johnson's days.

 

Oh man, this is hilarious. First, Johnson never faced anyone like Wilder.

Second, Jess Willard is one of the biggest oafs ever to fight for a championship. People were much shorter back then -- e.g., Johnson at 6-0 dubbed "The Galveston Giant" -- and Willard was a mutant. All he had was size. Today, he wouldn't even make his high school basketball team. Please. ...

 

Lol you are not serious.

Seriously, you are not serious.

Shatter Wilder mandible? Last time I checked, Ortiz took he best shot, multiple times, and Wilder's mandible was perfectly fine. In fact Ortiz was lying on the canvas.

Secondly, time's have changed since Jack Johsnon sorry to burst you're bubble, but today's athletes are better than that era by several orders of magnitude thanks to sports science and nutrition.

Today we are bigger, stronger, faster, more efficient. better technique, better practiced.

This is a wasteless thread I bet you also think Bruce Lee would dominate the UFC today too right? Sighhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

Where's your evidence that Wilder is 6 foot 5 or do you just like to contend anything you see or hear?

If I tell you my legit height is 5 ft 11 are you going to call me a liar too?

 

why would he? he never faced a guy who needed to be fed bums and old men to keep a title, that much is true. even tommy burns fought prime guys.

 

He fought a lot of little guys by today's standards. Johnson, the Galveston Giant, himself is a midget by today's standards.

You can't really compare, even looking through those rose-colored glasses of yours.

 

Fury is only about an inch taller than Wilder and Wilder was considerably taller than Wladimir Klitschko on pictures, Wilder is a genuine 6'7 guy and he never looked close to only 6'5.

There so many "experts" on this forum in every department of life it's ridiculous.

 

Where is your proof people were shorter back then?

There were plenty of people well over 6 foot back then. People just exaggerate their heights more then they did back in the day. Also, You seem to be forgetting that more people were professional boxers back then. Also, Johnson started his career as a middleweight, so a middleweight just under 6'1" is to this day tall for the middleweight division. Johnson wasn't a giant at heavyweight even in his day. Willard had better balance than Wilder and had just as much power.

Monte Munn and Patt Lester also had the same reach as Wilder. Munn Had even more power than Wilder. Lester had similar power to Wilder. Wilder is 6'5" in shoes at the most while Munn was 6'4" barefoot and Lester was 6'3" barefoot. Johnson at 48 completely schooled Lester despite the size difference and neutralized Lester's right hand. I could easily name plenty of fighters from between when Johnson fought to when Louis fought that were just as big if not bigger than Wilder, just as experienced, and as skilled, while also having his power.

I like Joshua, Wilder, and Fury and they are currently the best of the active heavyweights, but this also happens to be a very thin division almost void of talent. Johnny Risko, who was shorter than Johnson used to run through 6'4"+ heavyweights.


Heavyweight top 11 in 2016
Tyson Fury 6'6"
Wladimir Klitschko 6'4"
Deontay Wilder 6'5"
Kubrat Pulev 6'2"
Luis Ortiz 6'2"
Anthony Joshua 6'5"
Joseph Parker 6'2"
Bermane Stiverne 6'1"
David Haye 6'1"
Andy Ruiz 6'1"
Dillian Whyte 6'2"

Heavyweight top 15 in 1926
Gene Tunney 6'0"
Jack Dempsey 6'0"
Jack Sharkey 6'0"
Jim Maloney 5'10"
Paolino Uzcudun 5'10"
Harry Wills 6'2"
Jack Renault 6'1"
Harry Persson 6'1"
Knute Hansen 6'4"
Johnny Risko 5'11"
Sully Montgomery 6'2"
Sandy Seifert 6'0"
Jack DeMave 6'0"
Monte Munn 6'4"
Arthur De Kuh 6'4"

 

It's hilarious, you are downgrading the height of every current heavyweight by at least 2 inches but you are not
doing the same with the heavyweights from 1926, it's one of the most absurd and biased pseudo scientific comparisons i have ever seen, thanks for the good laugh.

 

I totally agree with that, Fury looks no more than an inch taller than Wilder who I believe is a very legit 6 foot 7

 

Yeah, no. Your baseless assertion doesn't withstand even superficial scrutiny. It turns out nutrition is very important. Indeed, perhaps Johnson, et al would have grown to 6-4 or taller with today's protein intake, but alas all we have is the record.

I'd also strongly disagree with your asserted heights and your assessments of their respective abilities, as well as the paucity of reliable video to make anything resembling competent analysis, but it's unnecessary because your argument's premise is ludicrous on its face.

https://ourworldindata.org/human-height

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4961475/ (not recommended unless you are extraordinarily bored, but lots and lots of data)