Prime Jack Johnson v Prime Joe Jeannette

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  1. mcvey

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    Twenty rounds who wins this?
     
  2. dpw417

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    Not well versed on Jeanette...but Johnson appears the much better defensive oriented fighter...Johnson clearly for me.
     
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  3. lufcrazy

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    Jack Johnson beat him numerous times.

    I don't think Joe every came close to returning the favour.
     
  4. The Long Count

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    Didn't Jeanette beat Johnson once on a fight that was even or Johnson was losing and Johnson went low and got Disqualified? There is a good Jeanette historian on here sometimes he feels Jeanette was better than Johnso but the facts don't lay that out to most.
    Johnson did better head to head and Against common foes. I say Johnson by decision.
     
  5. mcvey

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    Here is a report of the fight.

    JOHNSON BEATS JEANETTE
    Negro Champion, However, Was Disqualified on an Alleged Foul

    After outclassing Joe Jeanette for a round and a half, Jack Johnson, The Negro Heavyweight Champion of the World, lost the bout at the National Athletic Club last night on an alleged foul.
    Jeanette, after being thumped in lively fashion in the first round, assumed a crouching pose in the second round. He undertook to run in and clinch, ducking a vicious left hand swing. Johnson ripped a right hand hook up for Jeanette's jaw. The latter dropped to the floor, writhing in apparent agony. He claimed to have been struck a foul blow.
    He was removed to the dressing room and the club physician substantiated his claim. Johnson was promptly disqualified. Jeanette professed to be in great pain and lay in his dressing room in apparent agony. It is understood that the police proposed to keep Johnson, Jeanette and the club official under surveillance.
    Philadelphia Public Ledger
     
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  6. The Long Count

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    Very interesting. Do other reports corroborate that version of events. If so it's likely Jeanette never scored a clean win from Johnson. Thanks for the report!
     
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  7. Mendoza

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    No, they differ. One report I read says Jeannette was winning round one. Johnson went low for sure. The physicians confirmed it.

    Johnson went low in a few fights, not just this one.

    When they met Jeannette was a raw novice sometimes having a losing record.

    Who wins in 1909-1913? I'll take Johnson in 15 rounds or less via decision. 25 rounds, I'd pick Jeannette.
     
  8. mcvey

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    That is the only win Jeannette managed .Johnson floored Jeannette several times in their series but was never decked himself.
     
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  9. mcvey

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    QUOTE="mcvey, post: 18419816, member: 7828"]That is the only win Jeannette managed .Johnson floored Jeannette several times in their series but was never decked himself.[/QUOTE]
    The report that states Jeanette was winning comes from the NY The Police Gazette not a local paper they relied on a dispatch for their account.Pollack in his biography of Johnson says there was some suspicion about the fight ,that the local reporter for the Ledger suspected that Jeannette had not been fouled, but had fooled the referee into thinking he had,page 407.The police felt the fight might have been fixed and that is why they became involved.
    "Ulitimately the foul,if there was one was regarded as an accident,and the bout did not tarnish Johnson's status as
    the worlds elite coloured heavyweight."
    A week later Johnson went 12 rds with Young Peter Jackson and the very next day fought Jeannette over 6 rds.
    Johnson dropped Jeannette once in the 5th rd and 3 times in the 6th for a comfortable win.
    The Philadelphia Inquirer wrote,"The bout between Jack Johnson and Joe Jeannette of New York was in the nature of a vindication for Johnson.He proved that although on the preceding Saturday night he may have put Jeannette out of commission by hitting him below the protected line,he is the New Yorker's master.Jeannette looked pretty good for the first two rounds , but after that Johnson began to pull away".It should be noted that Pollack feels the Police Gazette was overly critical of Johnson on occasion and its editor Bill Naughton was definitely not a fan of Johnson's. On another occasion Johnson also fought both Jeannette and Walter Johnson 3 rds each on the same night with a minute rest between the fights,he beat both. The 15rds decision that Johnson won over Jeannette in1906 was, according to the Baltimore Sun,a case of Johnson doing just enough to win,essentially carrying Jeannette.
    The Gazette stated that Johnson's uppercut caught Jeannette time and again and that Jeannette was groggy and cut to ribbons at the end and that it was doubtful Jeannette could have lasted another round.
    In their May 1905 fight over 10 rds Johnson floored Jeannete in the last round ,the count reached 5 with Jeannette still on floor , then the bell rang to signal the end of the fight. Their Sept1906 fight saw Jeannette butt Johnson in the second round opening a bad cut on his eye.the bout was given as a draw but the consensus was that Johnson deserved the win.All this is in Pollack's book vol 1 Jack Johnson The Rise . I highly recommend it and its follow up, The Reign!
     
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  10. The Long Count

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    Clearly Johnso was the better fighter. For what it is worth I watched old footage of Jeannette and was not overly impressed.
     
  11. mcvey

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    I was disappointed when I saw him against Langford who did look special.
     
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  12. mcvey

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    I see no basis to pick Jeannette if they are matched prime for prime.
     
  13. Mendoza

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    Prime Johnson was Tko'd by Smith in an exbition match, perhaps out boxed by Obrien, and floored by Ketchel. Johnson didn't blow out Flynn, watch the films.

    Jeannette was a class above these guys as a heavyweight, very hard to stop and could fight.

    Still see no reason to pick Jeannette???
     
  14. lufcrazy

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    I didn't know Johnson had an exhibition match with Smith?
     
  15. mcvey

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    He didn't, it was a spar,Smith was a sparring partner for Johnson for Jack's fight with Ketchel. Mendoza knows this and has been corrected on it many, many, times, but being a phobic Johnson hater and a compulsive liar he cannot resist repeating it. GunBoat Smith gives a taped account of the incident in Heller's excellent book," In This Corner", there was no tko, and no referee,it's just Mendoza telling lies yet again.