Prime Jake Lamotta vs Dick Tiger/WINNER?.

Which is why I didn't say it. I said that being more defined doesn't necessarily mean you're stronger, we have seen this over and over in boxing and other sports. Many fighters that LaMotta fought were more "ripped" than he was, but none any stronger.

Fullmer, Fernandez and Carter surely were a strong bunch but as I said, Fullmer was no LaMotta and his strength was matched on many occasions by his opponents, not only by Tiger. LaMotta's wasn't when he was at his peak. Carter was more of a 154 lber, Fernandez a former welterweight. LaMotta and Tiger were both men who fought at their best at around 168 pounds and struggled to consistently make the 160 lb limit.

LaMotta was not quite as dedicated a trainer as Tiger except early on in his career and as a result let himself go physically while Tiger stayed in shape into his 40's. But he had trendemous natural strength, Robinson said he was by far the strongest he ever fought, this including Joey Maxim who was a big light heavyweight. Tiger was not nearly as much of a "bully" in the ring as LaMotta was. Not that he wasn't strong but he didn't rely on his strength as much as LaMotta did.

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Salient points.
I think Jake might ,I say might ,take this on work rate, Tiger liked to stop and start a bit, similar to Griffith.
Tiger is the better puncher ,Jake's boxy savvy is underated imo, he was cuter than given credit for, a very close fight,I don't see a clear cut dec here for either man.Split vote job.

 

Do we know Marshall wasnt stronger than him? Did he fight that many strong MWs? I think people get stamina and strength confused for 1 thing too.

 

Lamotta never outmuscled anyone of the caliber of the fighters Tiger did period. Name one fighter Lamotta bullied or outmuscled at 160 along the caliber (in terms of physical strength) of Floro (who despite being a former welter as you said, was a very strong middle who ripped through guys like future light heavy champ Jose Torres) or henry hank and get back to me. a one-armed cerdan doesn't count either.

 

Brutal, brutal fight...I'm going to need some time to figure out who I'd favor, but it'd definitely be FOTY material.

 

Walter Woods?

Fernandez was iced by Carter, [not a big middle ], in one round.
Not saying you are wrong, but was Fernandez that much of a juggernaut?
Was he for example, anywhere as strong as Eduardo Lausse?

 

never heard of him mcvey, care to enlighten me?

 

Cerdan may have had only one arm after round 1 but in round 1 LaMotta was already tossing him around the ring like a ragdoll despite Cerdan being noted for his strength, although a former welter like Fernandez.

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The arm injury, a result of LaMotta's overwhelming strength, happens at 0:50 into the video. Watch what's going on until then.

As for other strong opponents that LaMotta fought, ever heard of Bob Satterfield?

This guy:

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Other opponents that he fought

Jose Basora

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Tiberio Mitri

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Laurent Dauthuille

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I'm sure none of these men lacked any in the strength department but none could back LaMotta up.

It's not like there are too many pictures or videos of the opponents that LaMotta fought so it's difficult to say really. Who is to say that some of the more unheralded but equally accomplished fighters weren't as strong as a Florentino Fernandez? There's no way of knowing. All I know is that LaMotta was strong as an ox, so was Tiger too.

 

I'm not going to tell you that Walter Popeye Woods was a world beater ,because he patently wasn't,but he was a strong 5'9'' middle/lhvy,who had wins over
Bert Lytell x2
Solly Kreiger
Coley Welch
Ralph Dejohn a draw +2 wins
Ken Overlin.
Lamotta stopped him.
I'm just tossing this around really.

 

I think Fernandez was very comparable with Lausse, right down to tthe crushing power they both shared in the left hook. Lausse was the better, more polished fighter though. Fernandez wasnt called the "Ox" for nothing, he had extremely powerful legs and thighs especially and showed incredible power and fortitude in his fights with Fullmer, Torres, and Tiger.

The Torres fight, BTW:

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With Carter, Floro simply got caught cold and finished like Griffith was. Carter may not have been a huge middle (although he trained like a spartan and was an extremely chisled guy at around 155 or so lbs) but he had big power and plenty of speed in both hands and usually started off fast.

 

Well GreatA, i guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. Personally I don't think any of the guys you mentioned are stronger than fernandez, hank, or jose monon gonzalez at 160 (satterfield fight wasn't at the middleweight limit I believe), but at this point its splitting hairs between the two strongest middles who ever lived.

Couldnt find a good pic of floro but here's action from Carter-Gonzalez. Neither of these guys were soft at middle to say the least.

 

I haven't come down on one side or the other[ my arse is getting sore],
But Carter is somewhat overated imo,he certainly looked the part and could whack but guys like Giardello and Rodriguez schooled him imo.

Lausse beat Fullmer a strong middle and Gene would not sign his dance card again.
Fullmer got by Fernadez ok ,even with a fractured elbow.
Lausee would have sparked Floro, imo.

 

Carter-Giardello could have gone either way, Joey was running on fumes and experience at that point in his career. I thought Fernandez won the Fullmer fight but as you said Fullmer was operating with a hurt elbow, although i believe the injury was due to a punch if Im not mistaken.