Prime James J. Jeffries vs Jack Johnson

Jeffries and Johnson couldn't agree on the same question.

Johnson said he could not have beaten Jeff in his prime. Jeffries said he could never have beaten Johnson.

 

Fleischer knew both fighters personally and watched JJ from ringside. He thought Johnson would beat Jeff prime vs prime. Also there is no doubt that during the reign of JJ he was considered head and shoulders the superior of Jennette, McVey, Langford etc.

 

So... A draw?

 

When was Johnson's prime? The best fighters he beat when he weighed 190 or less.

 

All the noobs are so obsessed with weight. Boxing history is jammed full of huge fighters being absolutely destroyed by smaller faster more highly skilled fighters.

Wlad went down in sections, crazy bad chin/low durability KOs by fighters like Brewster and Purity.

 

If I have learned anything from the Classicist Jihad it is that weight classes are a false construction of oppression put upon smaller fighters to protect larger fighters.

Carry on, comrade.

 

I'm going to go for JJ.

 

Tough call. Johnson had a good style for Jeffries, with his defense, control of distances, strength tieing up inside and uppercuts. On the other hand, I've read (Moyle) an observer who thought Johnson was a bit tired inthe latter stages of 15 dominating rounds against Langford, and he seemed to be a bit tired in the last few rounds of his fight with Hart. Would you expect Johnson to be less tired against Jeffries? Then again, Johnson fought so many 20 rounders against good opponents you can hardly call hiss stamina a weak spot.

I'd go Johnson in 15 or less, toss-up at 20, Jeffries in 25 or over.

 

Nice wording there. :thumbsup

 

Johnson was just a skill level above, Jeffries knew it, it took 15 rounds but Johnson was toying with his man

1910 for the Jeffries fight, according to himself

 

Ok, but were those huge fighters any good?

I don't think that anyone says you can win with size alone. There are good big fighters and mediocre big fighters.