prime James Toney vs prime Rocky Marciano (12 rounds)

Marciano's right hand might not be landing with the same frequency, but his left would land more because Toney tends to lean to his right side more than his left, and Marciano's uppercuts would become more prevelent. Either way Toney and Moore both stayed in the range where Marciano is most active, and I feel Toney would pay for it just like Moore did, but his better chin would enable him to last a bit longer.

 

I have no problem with Marciano outworking him, I just dont think he will ko him. Can you think of any fight where Toney was caught with a uppercut?

 

Good point, the legendary Tyson fury


off topic:Great avy as well

 

That could be down to style matchups. Toney in all of the fights I have seen of his rarely ever gets hit with right hooks or left hooks, defensively that Toney who fought Jirov was better than the Moore who fought Marciano

I never said he was, I was saying you cant use the outcome of that fight to determine how a Marciano-Toney plays out. Toney had a better chin than Moore and he wouldnt be getting caught with those right hooks either.

Maybe

 

"Where have I said that Moore wasnt a great fighter, why do you keep insisting I have said things I haven't as well?"

Those guys you listed are not great fighters either

"When I think of ko machines I think of guys like McClellan, Benn and Jackson guys with ko rates of over 70%+"

Floyd Patterson's career Win/KO ratio is 73%. Before adapting a more passive approach after the Liston fights his HW win/KO ratio was 92%! The only Heayvweight who went the distance during his peak run was the durable Tommy Jackson and that was because Patterson injured his hand; he stopped him brutally in the rematch.

"Also he would of been 10 years past his physical prime, which would of meant that his natural levels of testosterone would of been at a decreased level. How's that?"

On average, there is not a significant droppage of male tesosterone until at least 45. Moore was evidently still manlier than most as he was KOing top 5 210 pounders at 50.

"Will respond to the rest of your post later"

Don't bother. You've already dropped the weight difference b.s. and are now looking for a new angle.

 

I was refering to Cooper and Johansoon

fair enough

Both are valid points.

Maybe you shouldnt bother either seeing as how objective isnt exactly a word you are familiar with either.

 

-Bull****

-Your reaching after your initial argument...for pages was that Moore had wear and tear and Toney wasn't stopped by the 250 lb Peter. Now you want to talk about the varying degrees of their shoulder roll in isolated instances? You not so cleverly compared Toney in the first round...to Moore when he was being overwhelmed in the late stages of the fight.

Here's a fresh Moore slipping Rocky's bombs in the early rounds.


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piw_ZD86f9E[/ame]


Here's Moore making one of the most accurate right hand punchers in history look foolish


[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7qFsEmK1gE[/ame]