PRIME JEFFRIES AGAINST FOREMAN OF THE MOORER FT?

Just think about how many modern fighters, the ones who demonstrate some defensive skills by holding their hands up, moving laterally, etc would get hit consistently by Jeff or anyone else from that era who lunged in with one punch at a time, hands at the waist, lead with their heads, feinting 1000 times for each actual punch attempt...
I doubt Jeff would even land 20% of his punches.

Jeffries took lots of punches from guys who were fighting like that, which tells a lot about his defensive shortcomings.

Just make a time machine where Ali or Tyson or Holmes goes back to 1900 and fights the opposition. They would be touted as unhittable! A marvel of pugilism!
And they're still hittable... In their own eras.

The fact that Jeff never hit the deck in 16 or so fights isn't an indication of his chin or durability. Its an indictment of his poor opposition.

Tons of fighters have made it 16 fights looking great and never hitting the deck...

 

So, Jeffries posits in his crouch, left extended, and occasionally approaches to throw a body shot in hope of attritting Foreman into defeat?

Old Foreman was one of the most relaxed heavies to ever grace the ring. He would eat up that style with relish and mustard. Poleax jab knocking Jeffries about the ring like a pinball, only to be followed by titanic rights and his great, sweeping hooks... while Jeffries tries merely to ride out the storm? That's a bad idea. Once George got the momentum going his way, he fought downhill at an alarming pace of destruction.

 

Honestly, this is getting comical now. It's not that I don't respect Jeffries, I Do, but to realistically think his style is a good one against Foreman is kind of laughable. Foreman would literally sit behind his jab, a jab that will/would do big damage depending how short the fight is; but then get destroyed by Foreman's right over and over. Jeffries doesn't have good defense,.and is an attrition fighter, he grinds you down. That would be a terrible strategy against George. I mean, it seems pretty obvious to me Jeffries would be brutalized, yet some are picking him to win....weird.

 

Nostalgia.

Heroes.

Those get in the way of objectivity and change.

 

The characterization of Jeffries prime skills and style is being grossly underrated. Just spend 30 minutes closely watching what we have in terms of prime film footage. He is throwing double and triple left hooks body to head. He is also throwing ultra short left hooks to the body. It looks as if Jeffries is just stepping in to hold but no...he is landing to the body. The comment that Jeffries just sticks out his left straight out just is not happening. Also holding hands low does not mean the fighter is easy to hit. The greatest defensive fighters who ever lived fought with hands low. Johnson, B Leonard, Loughran....list is endless.

 

Impossible to answer. Way, way too many variables changed since then to even project how Jeffries would've done in the modern era.

Honestly, having fights between eras this far apart seems like it's driven more by agenda than anything else. On first glance, yeah, I figure Foreman would kill him if we're just teleporting him straight from then till now. But does Jim get a modern pro trainer? Any modern training for an adjustment period to the changes facing him? All the 'roids he could pop, as was the style at the time? Or, are we going to punish him for not adapting to an era that never existed when he was fighting, like he should've been some kind of psychic?

 

When he doubles and triples up on those hooks, they aren't hard at all...

I have spent more than 30min watching, but it doesn't take that long. It's not as if watching it long enough will make you see something different.

He does indeed stick his left out and lean to his right. Regularly.

You're right; some fighters who are considered to be great defensive fighters do hold their hands low... But shame on you for confusing Jeffries as a part of that group. He was obviously easy to hit. He had a reputation for it.

He was no Johnson, Loughran, or Leonard defensively... What a joke.

 

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We are pitting an absolute prime ATG worlds hwt champion vs a wayyyyy past prime ATG. Generally bouts of this type do not go well for the older past prime fighter.

 

Rock,

I agree. It isnt fair to pit these guys together; the standards are too far off.

The argument is Jeff as he is, with no adjustment for equipment, training, or rules...

 

What are you actually saying here though?

Do you believe Jeffries to be a good defensive fighter? I don't care who else used a similar defense, we're talking about Jeffries using it. Are claiming it was particularly difficult to hit him or something?

Do you believe he actually has the statistical edge is this fight?

 

Why is this what you're basing your judgement on? Can you not see both fighters fight?

I dont care how "prime" or "past prime" they are... My eyes arent lying.

Its like me saying that me in my prime I would beat the DelaHoya who lost to Pac, or the Leonard who fought Camacho... I still never had what it takes to beat even a diminished version of a much more able fighter...

The difference in levels is too great.

Jeff gets hammered. Admit it.

 

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Never said he was. Just commenting to the inexperienced poster (was that you?) who stated holding hands low was some sort of a sign of poor style. It sure as heck is not.

Jeffries is being portrayed as something he was not. Prime Jeffries was considered for many decades as an ATG. Considered an ATG by experts and other great fighters. As late as the early 70's Ring rated Jeffries in their top 5. Jeffries was not some lumbering oaf. Watch the double and triple hooks body to head. Watch the ultra short hook to the body. His charactization in this thread could not be further from reality.

 

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