PRIME JEFFRIES AGAINST FOREMAN OF THE MOORER FT?

No I didn't say that, but again you didn't answer my very simple and basic questions. I'm not asking for what you thought he did that was extraordinary. I'm just looking for you to answer those two questions

 

Holding your hands low by itself isn't necessarily an indication of poor defense; couple that with non-existent head movement and zero lateral movement and you have a good reason to think not much defense is happening...

Its like listening to Richard Hoagland about the bases he sees on Mars and the moon... He sees **** that isn't there... He's looking at the same picture but sees different things. He sees what he wants to see.
I have no agenda or reason to diss this guy. I'd actually prefer him to be adept at boxing, but he isn't.

If contemporary writers and fighters say something that's clearly faulty when I look at the same film, I trust my eyes over theirs. They had their agendas too. Remember that.

You can see who the outliers for their eras were, and maybe Jeff was ahead of his, but not so far that it overlaps the 90's...

The reality isnt in some contemporary reports of his abilities. The reality is viewing him fighting. That's when the disappointment sets in.

 

If you think that Old Foreman would break a sweat against old Corbett, old Fitz or Sharkey, you have swaddled yourself in a blanket of delusion.

 

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Richard,

I agree, I agree...

 

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The previous era is clearly better hahaha

 

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When Jeffries fought Bob Armstrong, he was due to fight Steve O'Donnell on the same card. He broke his hand in the Armstrong fight, and offered to go ahead with the O'Donnell fight, provided that he could have cocaine injected into his hand. His manager decided to pull him from the fight instead.

 

Refreshingly objective!

 

Having read Pollack's book, [onJeffries, not Baker,] you will know there are a couple of differing versions as to Jeffries injury during that fight.It was ridiculous matchmaking anyway, both Armstrong and O Donnell were names featuring too early in his career.In the long run it may have done Jeffries a favour,as expectations of him were realistically reduced he was allowed to progress at a more leisurely pace and at some distance from the spotlight .

 

Having your nose broken 3 times, being cut in nearly every fight, having ridges of scar tissue above both eyes and a cauliflower ear indicates you are easy to hit.

 

If someone dropped young Foreman, with his stamina issues, into an era with 40 round fights, then it would be a disadvantage if he didn't have access to the same goods the old timers were using and he didn't bring EPO back with him. Heck, imagine Frazier with the brandy and strychnine that those old crazy *******s took when fights were marathons with punches lol.

All a fighter can do is maximize the advantages they have in their own era. It's only fair to assume that both fighters would use every and anything available to them in the setting of the era.

 

Oh, was that my problem?