prime joe frazier vs prime mike tyson

Tyson would KO Joe who would try to come straight to him. It would be very reminiscent of the Frazier/Foreman fights.

 

Foreman is stronger, bigger, and hits harder than Tyson. I don't see the the fight going down that way. I see Frasier smothering Tyson's work like Holyfield did and frustrating him.

 

I agree that Frazier has the heart and durability of Holyfield but he doesn't have the jab and footwork to give Tyson angles. Tyson is no Foreman but he will still hit hard enough to stop Frazier.

 

:rofl yea ok

 

Tyson wins by KO, early. These days Frazier might be better off as a Cruiserweight.

 

Tyson was no George Foreman and I would bet on Frazier stopping Tyson.

 

Prime Tyson

 

:thumbsup Boom. I dont know why some posters are getting so nostalgic. The facts are Frazier was a very simple slugger. Can you imagine the fireworks if both men met in the centre of the ring? Frazier was a sopping wet 200lbs at best. Mike was a beastly built 220lbs with canned hams for fist's and the most devastating puncher boxing had seen since a young Jack Dempsey. On styles alone theres no way Frazier survives Tyson. None whatsoever. He simply didnt have the style, the movement or the nuance to stay out of harms way.

 

Foreman didn't have the same explosive power as Tyson...I think Foreman could have gone down as the 'greatest' of all time, similar if not more potential than Tyson...His power was thudding with massive strength behind it but, he was slow as molasses compared to Tyson, and I don't think had a harder punch by any stretch of the imagination...Both had lethal uppercuts and that was Frasiers downfall...

Tyson's prime ended in Indiana in 1991...Holyfield 'frustrated' Tyson with the head butts, not smothering his power...

Tyson KO2 Frasier

 

:rofl

 

Frazier was not a slugger. He was a swarmer. An educated one at that, which is often an under-rated element on his game. He had terrific stamina, capable of going 15 rounds while pressuring and throwing bombs for the whole 3 minutes per round.

Everybody seems to think he is just a come forward fighter who launches only left-hooks. Even if we are taking Foerman I as an example, he showed what he could do in the opening minute or two of the first round. He landed some monster left hooks on Foreman, a few which were counter-punches, showing that his timing and ability to counter-punch is under-rated.

His jab aswell was actually keeping Foreman off him, and he slipped in a few lead straight right hands to try and mix it up and give Foreman something else to think about. The problem is that he couldn't close the jab enough to work Foreman's body because George kept pushing him off of him. Now that isn't a dent on Frazier's own physical strength, which is under-rated, but on the fact that Foreman is one - if not the most - physical strong heavies ever.

He got destroyed in the end because he couldn't swarm Foreman, who pushed him off and made it a mid-range fight. Nobody stands mid-range with Foreman and beats him, not even Tyson who would get destroyed in similar fashion against a peak '73 George.

Tyson is a similarly educated swarmer, more so. He will sometimes stand of into a boxer-puncher role, and Frazier is a far more pressing swarmer. Which brings the question, if Tyson can not match Foreman's physical strength - which he can't - and push Frazier of him, how is he going to react to being put on the backfoot? He cannot match Frazier for activity and pressure nor does he possess Foreman's strength, so he is not going to back Frazier up.

If he stands off and allows Frazier to press the action, then the problems he's got there are trying to counter-punch in between 3 minutes of non-stop punching. If he tries to slip under the left as he so often likes to do, then he's going to be slipping under a short jab or having to try and time accurate, quick left-hooks.

If he doesn't stand off and still decides to press, than you've got two swarmers going against each other both looking to get off first. As I said earlier, if this happens, the chances are they smother each others work, are often tied up on the inside with similar levels of strength and neither can put there best punches together.

Also, the problem is punching from. Tyson's is far more fundamentally sound than Foreman's, but George's gave Frazier more problems than I think Tyson's will. Can Tyson consistantly deliver the power from the low sort of shots Foreman threw? The final punch is the Spinks fight might be testament to this, but Frazier is no Mike Spinks at heavy. We are talking about somebody far more durable who took tonnes of punches from Foreman [see the 2nd knockdown in the 1st round] before getting put down.

 

For the first time Frazier would not show up.
Prime Tyson would Destroy Joe.

 

Good, detailed analysis.

 

Frazier thinks he would beat Tyson easily in this interview!

http://sport.stv.tv/boxing/178172-frazier-i-wouldve-had-no-problem-with-marciano-or-tyson/

I think Frazier would have it won.

 

Yeah.For all his faults and the drama attached to him throughout his career,he is actually a noted boxing historian.