Prime Joe Frazier vs. Todays Heavys

Frazier KO's Wlad

Frazier UD's Vitali.

Everybody else except maybe Valuev gets KOd'. Size means nothing in the sport of Boxing. I hope you all learn that at some point.

 

I'm beginning to discover that. It's clear that they're prideful in their fighters but the biased-ness and assertion that Haye could compete with an elite ATG HW fighter requires undeniable amounts of faith in a clearly unproven fighter. Who has Haye beat, demolished, or proven himself against to merit this praise? Is he really going to try and pass himself of as a objective boxing fan. One who is coincidentally British and overtly ignorant sounding?

Maybe if Haye had 2-3 more years to see how he turns out and deals with these Heavyweights. And remember, these Heavyweights are generally garbage to anyone who understands history. I'm not knocking the Klits as that would be a real test. Let me guess this fellow also thinks Haye could upset Ali too?

 

Ali 6'3 80 inch reach

Bugner 6'3 80 inch reach

Foster 6'3 79 inch reach

Mathis 6'3 76 inch reach.

Besides the GOAT in Ali Joe succeeding very well with tall fighters. It was the stocky hard and powerful short fighters like Bonavena that were tough that would give him the most trouble and hard of a time. Besides Foreman, I think it's the shorter stronger, harder hitting sluggers/brawlers that trouble him and or knock him out. Joe buries his chest in these tall rangy fighters. Although they could present some challenge (Klits) the rest don't due to their immobility and dreadful stamina.

 

Are you kidding me kid? Joe Frazier is one of the worst fighters along with Marciano that you can match up with the Klitschkos. Wlad panics when fighters provide pressure and Frazier porvides the fastest pressure in the history of the division. Wlad would be KO'd. Vitali is tailor made for Frazier as he has a low workrate and is a stand up fighter. Frazier will outwork Vitali and possibly stop him late.

 

OBC brings up a very valid point concerning weight. Weight doesn't mean diddly squat in boxing. Furthermore Frazier was a relentless swarmer with an iron left hook. The only reason why he weighed 205 for his fights is because he was in superb condition to go 15 rounds going forward and swinging. Name one fighter in this era of heavyweights that has half the workrate of Frazier. Let me answer that for you all, there are none.
If you watch Jimmy Ellis, you will see that he fights like Wlad just ten times better.

 

Obviously i have pride in my fighters you tit who doesent? but your completly missing the point i was making, in no post did i say that Haye would beat Fraizer so where your gettig that assumption from is beyond me, i said simply it would be a great fight in my opinion.

I dont think that Fraizer would have KO'd him early and im not ignorant enough to suggest Haye would KO Fraizer, but i do still think it would be more competative than some suggest simply beacause Haye hits hard enough to command respect,

You completly miss read what i said and instead made your own version up that because im english im incredibly biased because Haye is too english that he would win? when i never suggested this, seriously you need to re-read my posts and stop jumping to conclusions

 

You hit it right on the head. A lot of these fighters weigh a lot is because they are out of shape. Look at Chambers, he boiled down to 208 and still looked like he could lose a little more. No other fighter in the division can match Frazier's workrate and stamina.

 

Stop Vitali? I seriously doubt that. Wlad would fight Frazier safe, from a distance, using his jab, like he always does. The Klitchkos are not only big, they are also very athletic and very well conditioned. Frazier, as great as he was, simply wouldn't be able to reach them often enough.

 

Haye would get murdered. /end thread

Well that's the only way he can beat Frazier. I know you aren't trying to... most don't (Who are) .

It wouldn't be a good fight. Frazier dominates Haye. There is nothing to show that Haye could deal with a fighter like Frazier. Hasn't proved it. Lastly, /end thread.

 

Please...

Haye gets crushed in 5rds.

 

I disagree. He definitely beats Wlad. Likely by KO/TKO. Maybe by decision. Wlad is horrible at dealing with pressure. Peters had Wlad down like 3 times stumbling all over the place. He's panicky and not mentally tough enough for a man like Frazier boring in at him. He probably won't open up with exchanges other than the jab and Frazier is great at slipping the jab. Vitali is a tougher one. Vitali is although a bit slower on foot and hand and doesn't have the athletic ability of his brother. Luckily he has durability. In 15 rounds I'd pick Frazier over. In a 12 rounds it would be a close tough fight. I'd still probably pick Frazier but Vitali is very composed and hard hitting.

 

That Foreman fight showed how a big, strong guy with decent skills could hurt Frazier before he could ever get close enough to fight his smothering style and unleash that devastating left hook. Big George snuffed him out before he could ever start "smokin". You're right that most of today's oversized heavyweights would not be able to do what Foreman did.

 

Tall fighters aren't neccessarily the hardest hitting HW of all time. Frazier was also past it at that put, especially in regards to his conditioning (He was 215 in weight). Foreman is arguably the hardest hitting HW of all time. I think guys like Tyson, Tua, Morrison give Frazier the most trouble. He would eventually get inside the tall guy to his chest. He had good footspeed. Bonavena troubled him. He was a tough bulldozing of a man (Without great skill though).

 

Gotta disagree. But, hell, this is just a guess. As is everyone's opinion on this one. Speculation.

 

As long as Fraizer is weighing above the 200lb mark, he's not a cruiser.