Prime Joe Louis Beats Rocky Marciano --- Convince Me

I think Lyle gets more mileage from a losing effort than even Vitali. Lyle was always just OK, not a truly elite heavy. His list of quality scalps is paltry, his power is vastly overrated and his boxing skills were basic at best (though that is often enough for this division.)

 

1_this thread is prime louis vs prime marciano, what the hell are you talking on vitali and lyle?
2_every thing you said on lyle is a bull****.
lyle is an UNDERRATED puncher.
3_lyle was better than ok, you need to be better than ok to fight a war against a young george foreman(not prime but still young and very strong ).
4_he took shots frome ernie shavers and he won by ko, he did beat jimmy ellis,joe bugner,oscar bonavena and he did start late his pro career(in his 30s) imagine that he might do in his 20s
5_learn some boxing and later you can talk

 

yes yes , blablabla you said clearly(the absurd opinion)
galento, conn,godoy,max baer,budy baer, carnera, simon,braddock... might beat ali,frazier,foreman,liston,marciano,jonhson,lewis,holyfield,tyson,bowe,holmes,vitali,
bowe

but finally you haven´t balls to specify who would beat who.
simply you wanted to look important, but now you are trying to change the topic.

1 question 1 answer:deal

 

I will try to explain this to you a different way.

Lets look at each of your fighters in turn:

ali-probably the only person on your list who has shown the ability to fight the kind of schedule that Joe Louis fought over the same period. Even so, he was going life and death with Doug Jones and Henry Cooper at a stage of his career where Louis waqs fighting former lineal champions.

frazier-style all wrong for longevity. Not a cat in hells chance of him reigning for 12 years in any era.

foreman-had verry few fights against ranked contenders in his first career, and never won a fight that went past ten rounds. He could not have fought the kind of schedule that Louis fought, and he would not have tried.

liston-lost all focus and discipline after he won the title. He would have had a short title reign in any era.

marciano-style all wrong for longevity. Not a cat in hells chance of him reigning for 12 years in any era.

jonhson-probably has the style to fight Louis's schedule, but his real world title reign suggests that he would have been less active and less willing to take on dangerous challengers.

lewis-had durability issues and probably gets clocked at some point.

holyfield-lost the title twice in his own prime, he probably isnt consistant enough to replicate Louis's title reign.

tyson-lost all focus and discipline after he won the title. He would have had a short title reign in any era.

bowe-lost all focus and discipline after he won the title. He would have had a short title reign in any era.

holmes-probably has the style to fight Louis's schedule, but his real world title reign suggests that he would have been less active and less willing to take on dangerous challengers.

vitali-simply wouldnt have been able to fight as frequently as Louis without picking up injuries. Wouldnt have been able to and wouldnt have tried.

So the point is that they would have lost to sombody and it wouldnt necesarily have been sombody obvious.

 

ali was not in his prime when he faced these guys , he was very green, just a kid., a prime ali would have destroyed jones very early. even a kid ali destroyed the face of cooper, in the rematch against cooper ,ali was a man and he dominated cooper without problems.

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in the era of louis or marciano yes.

foreman destroyed frazier and norton (both did beat ali),chuvalo,peralta,ron lyle,cooney,bert cooper,moorer, he was competent in his 40s against prime holyfield.foreman even in his 40s did beat savarese in 12 rounds, shannon briggs(stolen),grimsley in 12 rounds and foreman didn´t need to fight more than 10 rounds because he had brutal hitting power, he destroyed his rivals in 2-4 rounds. he would have raped every rival of louis, just charles might gave him a fight, and charles did beat louis.

all your excuses for these boxers have no sense, they never faced the rivals of louis, i am saying that louis didn´t fight in the best era. and all these guys would have beat every rival of louis, and many of them would beat louis. and evander was not in his prime against bowe, he was 30. prime evander was 89-91, he won the rematch even past his prime and bowe was hurt in the third fight ,evander could not finish him because he had heart problems. the holyfield who faced foreman and douglas would beat bowe any day of the week. and bowe was by far better than galento,max,budy,simon,braddock,carnera,conn, godoy...

 

Who is the best fighter Lyle ever KO'd? Shavers, a guy who made it a routine of getting gassed and hitting the canvas? Blin? Boone Kirkman? Please enlighten me to who these monsters were that he was able to stop?

That young Foreman was full of holes and at that particular time, easily dissuaded. It was a classic fight because Foreman fought down to his opposition. And Lyle lost. Again, which heavyweight of modern note has gotten more mileage out of a loss than Lyle?

Yes, he beat some of his fellow B-raters and C-raters in the 70's. If Shavers is your best pelt and you still lost to Quarry, twice to Young and draw with Peralta, you are not first rate. I am not saying Lyle wasn't a tough night. Of course he was. But he was not first rate.

I don't claim to be the most knowledgeable in all things but I have three decades experience boxing, writing about the sport (and actually selling an article or two) and ardently following the game. Keep your adolescent name calling to yourself and grow the **** up. Saludo.

 

obviously you are mentally retarted and you never trained boxing in your poor life.for example lamotta lost against robinson 5 fights, but he is remembered like the best rival of sugar, by his courage ,chin... i can argue that ali lost twice against norton,but ali is the best man .it is not just on wins or defeats, because he fought a war against foreman(george had a great chin,strength,and hitting power,even foreman 1976 was hard, and lyle did exchange blows with him), he took shots from shavers he got up and he won by ko, he did beat bonavena(stolen against frazier),he did beat joe bugner (a champion of europe), and like i said he did start his pro career in his 30s , he was not in his prime.and he fought in a very hard era

he did beat peralta in other fight.
you did check very bad boxrec.com/wikipedia :rofl:rofl
so you know absolutely **** about boxing . learn boxing, Useless