Prime Joe Louis v Walcott and Charles?

:huh Except for the fact that past prime Louis fought a "still prime?" JJW twice - 1947 and 1948 - and got the better of the series.

 

yeah and he lost to him in the previous fight before the KO, and even in the KO fight, he was losing and getting outboxed. Walcott was even ahead and that fight and clowning Joe, LITERALLY clowning Joe. The only reason Joe even KO'd him was RIGHT after Joe was clowning again. I mean literally that is when he catches him. Walcott was so at him and peace with being able to fight Joe he was clowning him most of the entire second fight. Which stands to reason because he had little trouble with him the first time and was never knockedown.. while he had knockdown Joe 3 times. So I think Joe just got ****y and paid the price. Let's not forget the context of the fight though. Walcott was literally that confident in fighting the reigning champion who had walked through everybody prior. Why? because he was outboxing him comfortably through 2 fights. Sorry, I don't think Joe being a little more "prime" changes the stylistic advantages Walcott has over Louis that somehow its' a KO stomp by Joe

 

I'm not understanding the prime thing here.. You do realize they were the same age when they fought right? you can't call one prime and the other past his prime. Sorry bud, can't see it that way. Further, most people agree he lost the first fight, so in actuality they were two and two. Surely you don't believe Joe won the first fight when the ref.. crowd and majority of sportswriters felt Walcott won. ****, that was under the old scoring system and they still felt Walcott won. Imagine under our current system. Walcott's 2 KD and Joe never knocking Walcott down or even seemingly hurting him.. Walcott wouldn't won a wide UD. I'm not sure if you're being intentionally disingenuous or you really believe Louis got the better of both fights.

 

There are a number of possible scenario's here.

One of them, is that Walcott and Charles perform disappointingly, against the faster prime Louis.

 

films don't lie. Louis was pretty much the same fighter 46-48 he kept his right hand and great combinations through the 2nd Walcott fight

 

I felt the series went 1-1

Although Louis' knock out in the second fight was one of the greatest knockouts of all time greatest comebacks of all time and one of the best combinations I've ever seen

Louis in his Prime knocks out Walcott my theory is he always struggles with walcott even in 38. Styles make fights Walcott had the right style to trouble joe. A fast hard punching counter puncher with elite footwork

 

You bring up good points to the bottom line is we both agree Louis knocks out Walcott and Charles in his prime

 

Let's not forget though Walcott was the same age as Louis....

 

Walcott was a late bloomer like Hopkins. Walcott won the heavyweight title 3 years after losing to Louis. Walcott aged like fine wine

 

I've never listened to the theory that Walcott somehow was different than every other human being in the world. Don't buy it. A human's physical prime is their physical prime. It's really that simple. We can talk for days about mental prime when it comes to sports and that can be later than your physical prime. But physical prime is physical prime and that isn't past the age of 32.. most experts believe it to be 28ish. Point is, Walcott was not more prime than Louis. His early mixed results isn't because he somehow defied science and reached his prime later.. it was because of his poor diet, managing and being a part time fighter. When he changed those things, the results changed. it wasn't because somehow he was physically prime at 35.. no way no how.

 

Fully agree.

 

So Walcott was a better fighter when he fought Abe Simon in 1940 than joe Louis in 1947?

 

Let's talk reality,

Walcotts peak as a fighter happened in his mid-late thirties.....NOT 20s


Deal with it, that's reality

 

Fighters can reach a career peak at different ages its true.

As regards to Louis he would always have trouble with Walcott and Charles. That does not mean he wouldn't find a way to beat them. Many great power punching HW champions including Dempsey, Liston, Foreman and Tyson had problems with fast moving jab and move boxers.