Prime Joe Louis v Walcott and Charles?

I'm very much talking reality here...how about you try and do the same. Try reading any book or magazine about an athletes physical prime. Find me one that shows evidence of it being past 35. THAT is the reality here. It's rather hilarious to see you say let's talk reality, when that is EXACTLY what I've been talking.

You can talk to me till your blue in the face about Walcott putting things together later.. his mental prime coming together later in his career. I'm okay with all that. What I'm not okay with is somehow you misrepresenting things over and over. Walcott WAS NOT more physically prime at age 38 than he was at age 28. Not possible. He was a better fighter because of the outside of the ring issues he had early in his career and because he obviously became mentally more focused and poised in the ring, along with gaining more ring IQ. However, if you try and tell me Walcott's physical prime was past the age of 33.. I'll simply laugh at that notion and tell you to read more on the subject. He was past his physical prime by the time he won the HW title, it's really that simple.

 

Of course, common sense is your friend. That is more logical than Walcott simply being different than every other human being in the world

 

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Those things didn't happen for Walcott! Plain and simple. We have to take him for what he was.

Bottom line at ages 33-38 he was good enough to nearly beat joe Louis, beat a prime ezzard Charles, and nearly beat a prime Rocky Marciano. So this means even the 33-38 year old Walcott was good enough to beat most fighters throughout history

 

Ahh so now you bumped it up from 28 to 33???

Tell me was Hopkins past his prime as a fighter in 1999 at age 34??

 

So if a 33-38 year old Walcott was good enough to knock out a prime ezzard Charles and nearly beat two of the best ever Louis and Marciano...then a 28 year old Walcott could have been the greatest of all time?

 

Then when was his prime???

Where's your evidence to contradict my theory his prime was 1947-1952?

Again give me a 5 year window??

Don't say 1945, he lost to 11-14 Johnny Allen that year. Think that version beats ezzard Charles?

 

"s far as your other statement goes, I believe many would say Charles was prime when he was a light heavyweight."

Charles was still the long reigning heavyweight champion, undefeated in past 24 fights when Walcott beat him. No one had ever put Charles down for 10 count before

 

I'm waiting to hear a 5 year window from people that describes Walcott was at his best fighting ability.

 

Fighters can reach a career peak at different ages its true. Mike Tyson happened to peak at 20-22 by the time he was 36 he faced a 36 year old Lennox Lewis who was much closer to his career peak and Lewis easily beat a washed up fighter - yet they were the same age.

As regards to Louis he would always have trouble with Walcott and Charles. That does not mean he wouldn't find a way to beat them. Many great power punching HW champions including Dempsey, Liston, Foreman and Tyson had problems with fast moving jab and move boxers.

 

Lewis being closer to his peak at 36 than Tyson doesn't actually mean Lewis was at his peak does it???

 

No but it means his peak was lot less further in the rear view mirror
then Tysons peak Often a fighters peak is when their ring activity
is frequent Louis's peak was 1930's to early 1940's then he didn't fight
between 1942-46 except one fight and exhibitions cause WW2..
So in Walcott and Charles fights in my opinion he was maybe 50-60
percent the fighter he was when he beat Schmeling Punchers and Swarmers their styles usually peak young like 24-25 ..because they depend on attributes
that are prevalent to younger bodies Boxers often peak a little later (Larry Holmes)
because they rely a lot on experience and ring generalmanship (I think i invented that word) that takes time to learn Always exceptions to the rule though

 

Yes.

Which is why his work rate went down, and continued to do so up until the Kovalev fight. What he did do was utilise his experience and " old man " his way to victories.