Prime Joe Louis vs. Prime Tyson(86-89)

If you don't think Tyson can go low then watch the Tillis fight in i believe the sixth round. Tyson's head almost touched the floor as tillis tried to nail him with a jab to no avail.

Mike Tyson is in a totally different class than Galento, Godoy, and Musto.

Likewise, if Louis chooses to move backwards, then on paper he is doing half Tyson's work for him.

I agree.:good

 

It also helps if you are fighting a guy like Max Baer who has a rediculous chin. Have you ever thought that Tyson never had an output like that because when he hit you with that many flush shots you usually went down? If Tyson fought Oliver McCall, then i think it would be similar to the Baer fight in terms of punch output for Tyson.:good

 

On the isue of Louis being a slow starter I thought it might be instructive to compare their best wins that ocured inside two rounds.

* = Fight stoped in 1 round

Louis

1. Max Schmeling*
2. Buddy Baer*
3. John Henry Lewis*
4. Tami Maurelio*
5. King Levinsky*
6. Gus Dorazio

Tyson

1. Michael Spinks*
2. Trevor Berbick
3. Carl Williams*
4. Tony Tubbs
5. Alex Stewart*
6. Bruce Seldon*

 

IMO, Tyson was probably just as equipped for infighting as Louis as his body type was more prototypical for such than Louis' body.

I didn't see much of that against Max Schmeling the first time.

Neither have I seen it in the first Walcott fight either. There should have been some urgency to pick up the pace by Seaman and Louis but there wasn't. Louis should have thanked God for the judges saving his behind in that fight.

I'm not questioning Louis' heart, but IMO the discrepancy in heart between a prime Tyson and a prime Louis is such that this fight would come down to physicality more than anything else.:good

 

I think that Tyson McCall might well be as you describe. I consider Louis and Tyson to be about equal in terms of punch output when you stand in front of them to be hit with Louis perhaps being more conservative against a slickster, only throwing punches when he has a good chance of landing.

 

You might want to add an asterisk to Stewart.

 

Well said.:good

 

Oh, okay, those are the rules, huh ?
Well, I'll get back to you on it.
Everyone here is saying Thomas landed punches, you can "vaguely remember" it, I can remember it.

The only issue seems to be whether Thomas landed a one-two, or whether he repeated it and did it twice or more.
I've conceded the statement that the plural of "one-two" may or may not be accurate.

But demands are demands, and what I say DEMANDS that I back it up, not that anyone seems to be flat-out contradicting that it happened.

Apparently I have to provide a list of times of the jabs landed and the one-two or one-twos landed. And I will do.
I'm not at home at the moment, but will be within 24-36 hours, and will dedicate an hour to doing that and get back to you.
Okay ?

I appreciate that.

Are you saying that Thomas didn't hit Tyson or are you saying that Thomas hitting Tyson says nothing about Louis's chances of doing so ?

You could save me the effort by watching it yourself then, because frankly, I seem the less interested in it than you. I'm just convinced that Thomas landed jabs and landed with a one-two at least once.
I WILL check the tape, but I dont see why we suddenly became so anal about naming times and rounds of punches landed IN FIGHTS THAT BOTH OF US SEEM TO REMEMBER IN SIMILAR TERMS.

BTW, Maurice has been watching the fight within the last hour and says Tyson is walking through jabs and one-twos. But I actually think he might be any idiot, since he started accusing me of being on PCP because I said Thomas landed those same punches.

 

My apologies.

 

What is this ?
JT wants me to mention exact seconds when it happened, which seems slighly obssessive.
And you want me to define simple concepts.

???

For some reason, I sense my contributions on this thread are unwelcome.

The main gist of what I was really saying was that Louis could hit and hurt Tyson. And that Tyson could hit and hurt Louis. But for some unknown reason minor details of my post are being scrutinize even though no one actually contradicts them.

"Punches landed" means "punches landed".

 

Maybe so, but I suppose that Tyson's advantage in durability and punching power would offset any discrepancy in punching technique on the inside.

Not denying this, but when I watched the second knockdown, I saw Louis shaking his head, then looking back, then putting his head down and taking a nap. Almost like he was gonna try to get up, but then at the last minute saying, "Screw it."

You can at least try. Louis was just following him around. Run after him and start throwing leather. Something. Anything. Louis didn't do this.

Possibly, but IMO after a certain number of rounds it will be Louis who is in worst shape than Tyson so as Louis would be the one having to come back more than Tyson just needing to sustain what he has been doing.:good