Prime Joe Louis vs Rocky Marciano?

Joe Louis said in his autobiography he had no doubt he won the fight.He also went on national TV and said so!
Well respected judges like Nat Fleischer,Red Smith,James Dawson,John Lardner,etc voted for Louis.I havent seen the complete fight and so don't know who won it ,neither do you, but you have an agenda and I don't !
The referee gave it to Walcott by1 round!
That indicates,to me at least . A VERY CLOSE FIGHT.
But of course you know best!

Jimmy Cannon the famous boxing writer was a good friend and confidante of Joe Louis
After Louis' narrow squeak win over Walcott the first time,Joe holed up in a Manhattan apartment for a week,nursing his bruises.Cannon rang him and Joe said ,"come up".
Here is some of their conversation.Louis " I made the fight tough for myself.He didn't make it tough for me.He did so many wrong things.I saw every opening,but I couldn't go get him.It was a lousy fight. It's like a guy running ,you can't make a sprint at the end.
your legs feel you can go ,but you feel bad in the,"
I should have weighed 214,I weighed 215 and sometime the day before the fight ,I killed myself taking off the 4 lb . But that ain't no excuse ,it was a lousy fight? "
Cannon."why did you dry out?" Louis."I don't know,I guess I figured it was a good weight."
Louis points to a bunch of roses in a vase.- if you don't water them the flowers got to die.That's me.The day before the fight I had four lamb chops .No juice. Nothing else.No water all day,I eat no more,not even water .until 2 o clock ,the day of the fight.
You got to have strength to go to a guy,I was weak."

Cannon."When did you know you weren't right?"
Louis." In the dressing room","I was warming up in there for fifteen minutes.I knew I didn't have the strength in the dressing room."
Cannon.The punch that knocked you down in the first was a sucker punch."

Louis."You can see it coming when you're weak,but you're late getting up there.I saw every right hand ,but it hit me anyway.One thing I'm happy to know."
Cannon." What's that?"
Louis." I made it tough for myself,he didn't."
Cannon."I thought you lost the fight."
Louis.On my little daughter,I never thought at any time I lost the fight.I chased his tail all the rest of the night.
You knock a man down,you're supposed to go at a man.He knocked me down and then-run-run -run."

Cannon ."Suppose they had given him the decision?"


Louis."If they had given him the decision,I wouldn't have cared about it.What I mean is it would have been alright with me.
What the decision says,you got to go by it.I wouldn't have mentioned it."

But you were so sore,you tried to leave the ring before the decision came down."

Louis " I was mad because I was so silly,getting hit by those sucker punches.Seeing them coming and getting hit."
"This is no excuse it was a lousy fight.
Everybody say something.Everyone give a reason why you do this.

No one knows what's in your mind,but you do I can tell you how I feel,but you don't know how I feel.
I had no excuse for a lousy fight."

Louis weighed 211lbs for the fight.
Jimmy Cannon scored it 8 -7 for Walcott.


YES I DO KNOW BETTER THAN YOU,AND SO DOES EVERYBODY ELSE HERE!

 

"I knew I could never beat Rocky "is a flat out lie.Louis never,ever said that ,and I challenge you to produce evidence to the contrary!

 

Nope it isn't lie, but because you wanna discredit Marciano everything is a lie right?
Even If I find a video where Louis said that, you would find a way to discredit what he said, maybe you'll claim that he was under drugs or maybe even drunk, who knows...but I wasn't expecting any better from you.
Damn, even if you witnessed that in live, you would find a way to make yourself think that it's not true just because you don't like it.

 

https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/joe-louis-vs-jersey-joe-walcott-i

 

You will not produce a video with Louis saying he could never beat Marciano,because he never said it! Everyone here knows that including you! So you are deliberately lying.

 

Yeah even if I find a video you would find a way to discredit that, just because you don't like what you heard.
McVey, you are transparent as a man.

 

Here you are LIAR
Joe Louis vs Jersey Joe Walcott, I & II (youtube.com)

Louis states he had no doubt he won.

Louis and Walcott on "The Way it Was." Part 1. (youtube.com)

Louis on Marciano.

"Yeah I was right,he was a street brawler.He couldn't touch me when it came to boxing.
Marciano was strong though.I figured with a little more training he could do it all.
But right there in the ring I knew I was busting him up with my jabs.
Everything was fine until the seventh round.My age qave me away; all of a sudden my legs gave out.
They had to lift me off the stool for the bell in the eighth."
"The better fighter won,,but I wasn't really hurt until the knockout.
He was a good puncher and very strong".Joe Louis.

 

We're talking about Marciano vs Louis.
Btw, everyone who saw the tape and everyone who was in the crowd knew that Louis was robbed.
Yes, Louis beat him easy in their second fight because you don't win twice against Louis but still Walcott beat him like a drum.

 

"I used to tease Joe Louis by reminding him that I was the greatest of all time. But Joe Louis was the greatest heavyweight fighter ever"

Your reasoning for why Marciano beats Louis is that Ali thought Marciano could beat him whereas he thought he could beat Louis, but then you dismiss quotes where Ali calls Louis the best. Seems dishonest to me. Even if Marciano could beat Ali, which he never would, that doesn't mean he would beat Louis. Ali and Louis were completely different fighters. Again, you bring up irrelevant points because you are grasping at straws.

Marciano's face was busted up and rounds 3-7 were competitive with Louis shutting down much of Marciano's offense simply by using his own defense. Louis, without any of his offensive weaponry close up, still prevented Marciano from landing telling blows.

Fat Don Cockell without a fraction of Tony's one punch power went 9 rounds with Marciano. Tony was on his knees looking like he was hit by truck by round 4. Incomparable.

You responded to my comment about the Walcott-Louis 1947 fight with a link from the Louis-Marciano fight. Read my comment again. You keep saying Walcott beat Louis yet you've never seen anything more than the 14 minute footage of the fight which is just 30% of the entire fight. And still you are convinced Walcott won that one.

As for the Marciano-Louis scoring, Marciano was given rounds for aggression, it's how he won the 7th and even in the 7th when Louis' legs are beginning to give, he misses constantly and fails to land anything substantial on Louis.

Charles was knocked out by a man he had twice defeated, lost a decision to the same man again, dropped a fight to Rex Layne, lost to Valdez and then lost to Johnson, all that before his first fight with Marciano. He was past it.

Joe had been dead for 9 years by 1990. You again ignore all the fighters who tried to crowd Louis and were knocked out after getting out pointed until the moment they were knocked out. Here is what Louis told Jerry Izenberg when asked about the Marciano fight (25:58)

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Louis saw all the opening which there were plenty of, considering Marciano's style, but he just didn't have the reflexes and speed to take advantage of them. He was a shot fighter.

I've already shared video footage where Louis does not mindlessly chase fighters, but instead, when faced with swarming guys, lets them walk into his own punches while backing away. You are again being ignorant to Louis' fighting style so I will share another example where he lets an aggressive Ettore walk his way into cross and hooks:

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The announcer notices this too: "Louis is taking his time with him, and letting him rush in"
Ettore would have been taken out right there in the first round if he hadn't switched gears and started backing away from Louis after the knockdown. You can see all that happening in slow motion at 6:26 if you still can't notice it.

Louis already showed he could outbox Marciano as a 37.5 year old shot fighter. A younger Louis absolutely would outbox him but he wouldn't need to, he'd just knock him out. Faster hands, thrown in combos, better reach, better skills. It's Louis' fight to lose.
We've said all there is to be said and we won't agree. There is nothing more annoying than reading up on an old thread and seeing two posters argue for multiple pages, it fatigues the reader who just wants to see genuine arguments being made. The others can read our posts and make up their minds.

 

In the interviews for the Murray Warner computer radio tournament Louis said he could not say whether he could have beaten Marciano, saying that Marciano had a crowding style which he found difficult. What's not clear is whether Louis was speaking about himself at his own best (vs. Marciano's best), or that he was saying that, at the time he and Marciano met (1951), victory may not have been a real possibility.

 

No they didnt, a third of the press thought Louis won and the Referee only gave it to Walcott by 1 round. Stop with the lies!
Nobody alive has seen the complete fight, so nobody is in a position to state categorically that Walcott won and that includes YOU!

 

Did you really just share a scoring made by someone who saw the 14 minute highlights to argue that Louis lost the fight? What part of 14/45= 0.31 do you not understand?
Judge Forbes scored the 3rd round for Louis, giving him one point. Judge Monroe scored the 3rd round for Louis, awarding him 2 points. Referee Goldstein gave the 3rd round to Louis with 2 points.
All 3 officials were convinced Louis got the third round (Louis vs Walcott 1947 Scorecards)
In the available footage, round 3 is just under a minute long, and there is no way to tell if Louis got that round. This makes the Highlights unreliable as a means to score the fight (round 3 begins in 5:19).

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But he never said at anytime that he," could never have beaten Marciano!"

 

Exactly we are dealing with a fool, and one who makes up quotes and attributes them to Louis!