Prime Joe Louis vs Rocky Marciano?

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Excellent analysis!
    Marciano the morning after the Louis fight.

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  2. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    But there were people who witnessed that fight and ones that saw full tape, and they all claimed Walcott won, just by crowd reaction you can see who's the real winner, but you were there so you know.
     
  3. BoxingFan2002

    BoxingFan2002 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    According to Goldstein's scorecard Walcott won.
     
  4. mcvey

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    By one round ,and according to the two judges Louis won!
     
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  5. Pedro_El_Chef

    Pedro_El_Chef Active Member Full Member

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    Referee Goldstein's card:
    1 W 3
    2 W 2
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    4 W 3
    5 E 0
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    7 W 1
    8 W 2
    9 E 0
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    11 W 2
    12 W 2
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    No one could tell you Louis won those rounds based on the highlights.
     
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  6. mcvey

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    There were people there who witnessed the fight who said Louis won, including a third of the press! That's just it ,I don't know who deserved the verdict and neither do you!
     
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  7. BoxingFan2002

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    Ali always claimed he's the greatest, so yeah he claimed he was better than Joe Louis.
    Even if he could?Well Frazier did and Bonavena almost did it so yeah Rocky would have high chance of beating Ali.
    Yeah, they're different because Ali beat better fighters, had better stamina, footwork, handspeed...Ali would dance but Louis would play in Marciano's hands.

    That's like saying Liston nose was busted against Cleveland Williams, Williams outboxed him which is laughable.
    I even posted scorecards, Louis won 3 rounds maybe if even that.
    Yeah, just see how Joe's face looked like in the fight and after the fight.
    How Louis prevented?Look at his face plus not only punches in the face are punches, what about bodypunches?
    Louis couldn't avoid that.

    Fat Don Cockell was atleast good boxer in lower weight classes where Galento was never good boxer in any weight class.
    Good contender yeah, good boxer?Hell no
    And that was Marciano last fight, which he won.
    Lie.
    Charles won 10 fights before Valdez fight and after those two losses he beat 2 good fighters, Wallace and Satterfield( 3th round KO).
    To say he was past prime at only 33 after two KO wins is laughable.
     
  8. BoxingFan2002

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    No one said that interview was in 1990, that's when Magazine released this article about Louis versus Marciano.
    Yeah Godoy was knocked in their first fight and Schmelling was too knocked in their first fight.

    Yeah, he showed that he could outbox him...by being outpointed, knocked down then knocked out of the ring with his face looked like stung by bees after the fight.
    Younger Louis was 25 pounds lighter, it would be the same outcome like Ali would beat Liston 100/100 times.
     
  9. BoxingFan2002

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    Only legendary referee Ruby Goldstein dissented, with a 7-6-2 card for Walcott, overruled by scores of 8-6-1, 9-6 for Louis.
    No one could, but Ruby could...you know better than him?
     
  10. BoxingFan2002

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    A third, but 2/3 said Walcott won.
    You can hear crowd yelling after the fight.
     
  11. Pedro_El_Chef

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    Goldstein gave him rounds 3, 6 , 13, 14, 15. If you watch the highlights, some of these rounds are ambiguous and cannot be scored at all. By your own admission, Goldstein scored it accurately 6-7-2 which makes it much closer than the 14 minute highlights show.
    Therefore, the highlights are discarded as a means to score the match. We are making progress.
    A Louis on the verge of retirement was at worst one round behind a prime Walcott after 15 rounds, whereas Rocky was as much as 4 rounds lagging going into the 13th with a significantly aged Jersey Joe.
     
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  12. BoxingFan2002

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    And knocked him out in their next bout in round 1 which Louis couldn't do even in his prime.
     
  13. BoxingFan2002

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    Marciano beat Ezzard twice, Louis lost against Ezzard and Marciano knocked Walcott twice while Louis went 15rnds with Walcott.
    First was suspicious decision second was good fight with Louis KOing Walcott.
     
  14. he grant

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    Louis stops him in about eight ... he would put Rocky down.
     
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  15. HomicideHank

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    This is a recording of Louis talking about Marciano. At no point in this clip does he say he could 'never' have beaten him.
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