Prime Joe Louis vs...

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  1. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    The following prime fighters

    Sonny Liston
    Evander Holyfield
    Lennox Lewis
    Ken Norton
    Ezzard Charles
    Rocky Marciano
    Ike Ibeabuchi
    Chris Byrd
    Archie Moore

    (Prime Joe Louis from the second Max Schmeling fight era against these guys)
     
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  2. cleglue1

    cleglue1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Liston-Win by decision
    Holyfield-Loss by decision
    Lewis-Win by 11 RD KO
    Norton-Win by 8 RD KO
    Charles-Win by 12 RD KO
    Marciano-Win by decision
    Ibeabuchi-Loss by KO or Win by decision (I'm undecided)
    Byrd-Win by 6 RD KO
    Moore-Loss by decision
     
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  3. janitor

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    I would favour him over all of them, but if he were to fight them all, I feel that somebody would pull the trick.
     
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  4. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Concur. A 12 rd fight today (as opposed to 15) would favor an upset.
    You only need to "win" 7 rds today for a typical decision victory.
     
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  5. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Fighting the best opponents in the division is like playing Russian roulette. However good you happen to be.

    You can get away with it for a while, but you will dodge bullets, or lose in an upset eventually.
     
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  6. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The assumption is every fight is both men at their best. At his best


    Sonny Liston Sixth round ko.
    Evander Holyfield. Tenth round ko
    Lennox Lewis Eleventh round ko.
    Ken Norton third round ko
    Ezzard Charles. Twelfth round ko
    Rocky Marciano. Decision over 15.
    Ike Eighth round ko
    Chris Byrd tenth round ko
    Archie Moore. Second round ko.
     
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  7. Mr.DagoWop

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    I think that is particularly true for recent times but back then I think they had more guts and talent to pull it off.
     
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  8. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    With the Liston fight I would think that somebody has to break not going to the scorecard. Who that is is a debatable topic.

    Holyfield was tough and smart, I couldn't see Louis stopping him.

    Charles had an iron chin, was fast, and was very smart. I could see that going either way.

    You don't think the old mongoose had enough to stay in with Louis? He had many tricks and excellent defense.
     
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  9. Perry

    Perry Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We are talking Louis on his very best night in every fight. Aside from Ali no one beats that Joe Louis. Too destructive, too highly skilled.

    Liston was a poor mans Louis. Power but with a much lower skill set.
     
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  10. cleglue1

    cleglue1 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Holyfield was a bull! also on steriods! Moore would get the job done possibly.
     
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  11. JohnThomas1

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    Lewis and Liston would be very very tough.
     
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  12. mcvey

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    He beats
    Byrd
    Charles
    Norton
    Moore
    Marciano
    Ibeabuchi
    The others are more problematical imo.
     
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  13. mcvey

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    Charles had an iron chin?:huh
     
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  14. reznick

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    My money is on Louis on each occasion.

    Would be one hell of a gauntlet though!
     
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  15. Mr.DagoWop

    Mr.DagoWop Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Prime Charles was stopped once by Lloyd Marshall and I wouldn't even consider that his prime. He had a hip injury going into the fight and got up 8 times. He was 22.
     
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