prime John L.Sullivan v. old George Foreman

Sullivan never weighed under 200lbs in a gloved fight, as far as I can tell.

Weights reported back then are all over the place, but it seems that he was a lot bigger than Marciano.

 

I know what you are thinking.

McMustache would have destroyed Sullivan!

 

These are the things we know conclusively for sure:

1. Old George Foreman is probably the slowest fighter ever to win a world title. He is going to be way open to Sullivan, relying on his ability to take a punch in order to land one.

2. George sorry to say it, but has questionable stamina, although to be fair, his ability to conserve energy does somewhat negate the possibility of him falling over from exhaustion in the late rounds, Facing an in shape opponent in those last rounds is still his worst nightmare, i would have thought.

3. George Fancies his chances in a shoot out. He will be standing in front of Sullivan and swinging punches. Incidentally, they are wider and not as technically correct as sullivan's (it is pretty likely) but they do hit damn hard as is proved by the Moorer Ko. Although i would point out, that they are so slow, that he needs to set up and set a trap, ala Moorer in order to produce KO Power.

4. We know John L Sullivan is twice as fast as Old George, i dont think that is questionable.

5. We also know that John L will KO a truck when he hits it cleanly, i dont think this is debatable.

6. We know that both like an unconvential defence. Old Foreman, with that Cross arm defence which means he cant punch when being attacked and John L with the circling high guard, which I presume leaves a fighter open to a left hook especially in close. Foreman cant throw the short left hook in close, because of the cross arm defence.

7. We know that Sullivan has much, much better stamina.

8. We know that they are reasonably similar in height and reach, presumably with a slight advantage to Foreman.

So, looking at the facts, i do not see what Foreman can possibly do to give him anything other than a punchers chance. He is going to be beaten to the punch, he isnt going to be able to outlast his opponent with superior heart, he doesnt have better technique. It is unlikely that he runs into a moorer style trap. this is just an old fashioned shootout where the older out of shape great fighter cannot compete with the younger in shape great.

Sullivan easily, probably by KO in the first 2 or 3 rounds. Foreman's best chance is to take a the 4 round challenge and use his tremendous chin to hold on to the 4th round. that way, John L will be impressed with his performance and give him his nightly pay anyway.

 

I really dont know what you are talking about. you obviously have John L Sullivan confused with someone else. He was not a light heavy, and he did not have a low guard. I am guessing that you are thinking about one of the "twin" Sullivans. but there are other sullivans you may be thinking of also.

They were both good fighters, although as John L himself said, they had no business mixing it for the world championship as they were too small and it was only because the best figthers had retired and the standards had dropped taht they were in the mix. Of course, George would start heavy favourite against these guys, although stylistically he hated movers particularly at this stage of his career and has lost to light hitting boxers before even at a better stage of his career, so it is not impossible that they pull it off. I wouldnt be backing them though.

Yankee sullivan is the other guy you could be thinking of. A light heavy at best, I believe that he is virtually no chance against old foreman though is suppose his entourage might make things a little bit interesting., with the knives and such force.


Anyway, since you have mixed up the sullivans, and talked at a cross purpose it might be an idea to acknowlegde it on the thread in case you confuse others into thinking that Foreman has a better chance in this one than is reasonable.

 

A whole lot can be said of people who box with bare fists. When a bare fist lands it hurts and damages. Sullivan was great. So is foreman.

 

Sullivan by KO in the 32nd round.

 

LPR Rules?

 

this would be a helluva entertaining and bloody battle, but in the end Sullivan is probably not equipped to handle the bludgeoning that even an older George Foreman could dish out.

 

It would never happen.

Sullivan wouldn't risk his reputation and sullying America's image by putting his title on the line against someone as "caucasianally challenged" as big George.

Lucky for George I'd say as prime Sullivan was 200 pounds of stiff backed, fist twirling fury and it took 150 pound middleweights to trouble him not 250 pound power punching behemoths.

 

Obvious agenda is obvious.


Anyway, the black guys wins. Cos he's black.

 

http://www.la84foundation.org/SportsLibrary/Outing/Volume_41/outLXI06/outLXI06o.pdf

This is probably not the right place to put this article, but it is an interesting off topic piece. Of most interest the likes of man bear pig will be the photographs, particularly the photo of the big McGovern Erne fight. I think we couldnt find a grander venue than this arena for the proposed Foreman Sullivan fantasy fight.

What do you guys think?

 

atschFFS

 

probably?...wtf is wrong with you ppl.
Sullivan is from a completely different movie to George.
The sport and level of competition they dominated are 2 worlds apart.