prime John L.Sullivan v. old George Foreman

I honestly think that Sullivan would win, based on what little we know.

It is not like picking Joe Louis (a verry known quantity) to beat him, but the circumstantial evidence points to Sullivan being a truly exceptional talent.

 

my money is on the man with the tash. remember as strong and as big as old george was - he was old and not beating any world elite fighters. going against a man who dominated an era and at the peak of his capabilitys would be a taller order than george ever selected for himself.. ive never seen sulivan but he must have been something at one time. I have seen old george and he was more hype than substance.

 

Prime Sullivan would beat any boxer who lived.

 

Old Foreman would beat any version of John L. Sullivan easily.

 

old Foreman never dominated ANY level of Competition at world class level. He had a couple of decent wins, but that is about it.

 

fast on his feet, a master at the faint, had a chin like concrete, and the ko accurecy of Julian jackson.

any boxer any time would have problems with John L Sullivan.

especially with the 2 oz gloves of 1880-1890

foreman would just be fainted in and destroyed by sullivans scientific right hand round punch.

I can barely see a prime foreman lasting more then 4 rounds unless of course sullivan thought it was an expo and wasnt really trying.

 

Punch resistance?

Ali knocked him out, id say Conn had better punch resistance.

atleast in the circumstances, some one who could roll with the punches whos much lighter and faster such as corbett, conn, ali would be much better at taking Sullivans punches.

sullivan didnt knock people out like foreman, you know, by knocking them down untill the ref calls it a tko or with a lucky counter. sullivan rolled his wrist out instead of inwards and as he punched he swung the back of his hand around so his largest knuckes were on the bottom with the back of his hand facing himself. this caused the impact knuckles to land cleanly on the face while the largest knuckles destroyed the button. causing a ratteling of the brain with immense pain from having the nerver pinched behind the jaw. it didnt matter how stong your neck was, if you took his punch squarely you were going down.

the only punch ressistance that matters against sullivan is the kind where you dont get hit, or you roll with the punches, and foreman wasnt rolling with ****.

now big and strong with hard hitting, i dont know sullivan fought hundreds of people. and hard hitting.....well theres diffrent kinds of hard hitting. theres the kind where you hit the bag and it moves and theres the kind that you hit the bag and the padding flies out the back....if foreman was the right kind of hard hitting chuvalo would have gone down and fraizer wouldnt have gotten back up 6 times.

id say sullivan was a mix of chuvalo and lyle with a better ko punch and better skill at fainting. Foreman never fought anyone like that, and probly would not have beaten anyone like that.

 

hes got a few good books, ill have to check that one out.

Ive read the science of boxing by donovan.

also the life and reminicences of a 19th century gladiator, a John L sullivan Autobiography is a good read about sullivan.

[url]http://books.google.com/books/about/Life_and_reminiscences_of_a_19th_century.html?id=D_IWAAAAYAAJ[/url]

 

How was John L. a lightheavy by todays standards? He was 212 lbs. in his prime. Corbett was a little more than a l.h. when he beat John L., weighing in at 178 lbs.

 

I guess that we are on opposite sides of that debate, before we even get to Sullivan.

 

At that stage of his career, I would expect him to loose to the best of them.