Prime Jones Jr would be dismantled now by the MEN at 160, 168 & 175

Why do you want to know?

Whatever anyone says, you'll just try and degrade it with boxrec stats.

Plus you never allow for circumstances.

 

you have a split pea for a boxing brain

 

Roy's best win at MW, has to have been Hopkins.

Hopkins was 28, and Roy was only 24, and he had a fractured hand.

After his loss, Hopkins didn't lose for a further 12 years.


At SMW, it has to be Toney. Toney's always had weight issues, but nobody ever beat him like Roy did in his 20's.


At LHW, he had very good wins against Hill, Johnson and Griffin. He also had good wins against Gonzalez and Woods.

But his best win was against Tarver, due to the circumstances. He dropped back from HW, losing muscle in the process, at almost 35, after 50 fights. Tarver presented a stylistic problem and he was extremely motivated. Also, Roy was exhausted, but still pulled out the win. It was also important from a historical point. Because Roy made history by dropping back and reclaiming the LHW belts.

 

bailey,

Please, you NEVER allow for circumstances.

You don't allow for any injuries, weight loss, weight gain, the manner of the victory, where the fighters were in their career at the time of the fights, what had happened just prior, what happened afterwards etc.

You only ever deal in black and white stats.

You would never appreciate Roy knocking out a guy like Griffin with a lead uppercut.

You're the guy who believes that Steve Collins's win over Eubank, was better than Roy's win over Toney, just because Eubank had a better SMW resume than Toney.

 

It was Hopkins, who was actually a top MW, ranked #1 by the IBF.. How many years was it until Hopkins lost again? Some wins get better over time, this was one of them.

Toney for sure, I know you don't rate the win, but it was huge at the time.

Dropping from HW to fight a hungry Tarver was Roy's best win at LHW IMO.

 

bailey,

It is correct. You don't allow for ALL of the circumstances, just the bits that suit your argument.

Why have you mentioned Hill?

I didn't list that as Roy's best win at LHW.

But we can use him as an example.

All you look at regarding that victory for Roy, is that he was coming off of a loss to Dariusz.

Which is correct, and it certainly needs taking into consideration.

But you also have to take into account, that Roy brushed him aside in just four rounds with a beautiful body shot, and Roy was the only guy ever to KO him.

You also have to factor in that two years later, Hill beat Tiozzo in a single round at CW.

So both Daruisz and Roy hold good wins over him.

Griffin was a good fighter when Roy knocked him out, and as I've mentioned, you can't appreciate a 1st round KO, with a LEAD uppercut.

Who else have you ever seen knock a 180 plus pound guy out with a lead uppercut? Not just an uppercut, but a lead uppercut?

Despite how Griffin's career unfolded, that was a very impressive win by Roy.

But again, you won't take the manner of victory into account, you'll only focus on who he lost to.

That's how you debate.

I cover everything, whereas you don't.

I know Collins had just moved up, it's been noted. It was also very impressive how he psyched out Eubank, because I wouldn't have thought that it would have been possible to have done that.

But I believe Toney was a better fighter, despite their SMW resumes, and Roy scored a shut out, while Collins won on a UD and an SD. Also, Eubank would never go on to have anymore notable wins, whereas Toney did.

Toney was in form, was 26, undefeated, and considered one of the best fighters on the planet.

So all things considered, I rate that win higher.

If you don't agree that's fine.

But in our debate regarding this, you scoffed that Roy could have had a better win, based solely on the fact that Eubank had a better SMW resume than Toney, without taking into account any other factors.

Everyone knows how you debate.

 

:good

 

Loudon, as you probably have come to realize, bailey is not a person but rather an algorithm--a primitive form of artificial intelligence trained on a corpus of boxrec data and programmed to support a particular narrow agenda. It's kind of funny.

 

Serge,

A movie would be great.

Apparently when he was older, he was the landlord of a pub that I drink in, in the town centre.

That's how I heard about him. I bought the book over ten years ago.

I'll have to read that.

I'm like that, I bought SRL's autobiography last year, started reading it, then realised I hadn't finished the Hitman's. Then afterwards, it also dawned on me that I'd still got Dela Hoya's autobiography to read.

The book on Fitz is great, and I've been to Cornwall loads of times. I've been to Helston before.

I will eventually read Dempsey's biography.

Ha!

Ha!

Ok, fair enough.

We'll do it another time.

But I'm big enough to retract my statements, if there's evidence at hand.


Btw, I woke up this morning, and thought 'I wonder if Serge has replied to me today?'

I'm off work at the moment, so my days are filled with coming on here, watching TV, and the odd bit of internet porn. Ha!

As soon as I thought of you, I immediately burst out laughing, thinking of the line 'I used to troll tornado videos from time to time too.'

Haha!

Every time I think about it, I laugh.

What on earth made you think of doing that?

:rofl


:good

 

Ha!

He would be truly missed if he left this forum.

By me anyway.

 

He KO's Froch.