Prime Kovalev vs Bivol

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Who would have won.

  1. Kovalev by KO

    22 vote(s)
    39.3%
  2. Kovalev by Decision

    12 vote(s)
    21.4%
  3. Too Close to Call

    3 vote(s)
    5.4%
  4. Bivol by Decision

    17 vote(s)
    30.4%
  5. Bivol by KO

    2 vote(s)
    3.6%
  1. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    How do you see this fight playing out? If we're talking Kovalev from Ward 1 (or before) vs current Bivol.

    Is Kovalev considered prime or peak when he first fought Ward? Or was he already past his peak. I know before he fought Ward he struggled vs Chilemba and many were surprised at that.

    If Chilemba was able to take Kovalev the distance, then I don't see how Kovalev would have stopped Bivol who's way better than Chilemba. And then it comes down to could Kovalev outbox Bivol, I don't see how he would. Many people thought Kovalev beat Ward though the first time, and Bivol outboxed Canelo. Who was actually the more difficult opponent though at the time to beat, Kovalev or Bivol. Who would have won if they fought at their best?
     
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  2. Scott Cork

    Scott Cork Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Need to see more from Bivol. Krusher by ko.
     
  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    As good as Bivol is, I have to go with prime Kovalev aka Krusher
     
  4. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Kovalev was basically getting on by the time of the Chilemba fight, probably just past his best, also against Ward. I mean, what was he 34 or something, not prime.

    The one who fought Cleverly was more of a prime Kovalev and that one I would pick against Bivol.
    Now Bivol might have boxing skills as good as Kovalev, but he doesn't have the power as we all know.

    So Kov will eventually land and likely change the fight.
    He also dropped Chilemba and Ward, so even though he didn't get the KOs, he still caught them.

    Now with Cleverly, he tried to box him and claimed the power was overwhelming. Then eventually got caught and finished.

    I expect that's what would happen to Bivol. Bivol even got caught by Smith, which tells me Kovalev is definitely landing big on him eventually.

    Also Bivol had the reach against Canelo but he wouldn't have that against Kovalev.

    Lastly, Kovalev wasn't a safety-first jab machine until McGirt, he was more fearless earlier and would take more shots and I don't think Bivol would deter him that much.
     
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  5. GGGunbeatable

    GGGunbeatable Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bivol.

    Kovalev was always overrated.

    Best win a prime Cleverly who lost against Fonfara. Dropped against Caparello. Looked terrible against Chilemba. Neither Pascal nor Agnew were even close to elite. Couldn't knock out Hopkins who was punched out of the ring against Smith Jr.

    He still beat Ward but this speaks rather against Ward than for Kovalev.

    Bivol beat Canelo in his 20th fight and made it look easy. At the same stage in his career, Kovalev fought against the likes of Lionell Thompson.
     
  6. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Bivol doesn't have enough power or strength to compete with a prime Kovalev. He'd get physically overwhelmed.
     
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  7. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Lol, beating Ward and the word overrated doesn't make sense. Oxymoron there bud.
     
  8. GGGunbeatable

    GGGunbeatable Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I never liked Ward. More as a person than a boxer, so my view is probably biased. He still fought dirty and boring. But have to admit at this point Ward's prime was at least 4 years over and he stepped up in weight.

    So Kovalev beat him in the first fight, second fight Ward used dirty tactics and low blows. Not sure who would have won in Ward's prime, if he was really so good like everyone says, he should have beaten Koalev easily around 2012. Athletes do get better though and SMW was always a weak division back then. I don't think Kessler, Froch or Abraham would be top fighters nowadays or even late during the last decade.

    Fact is, Ward looked terrible in both Kovalev fights. Corruption and illegal tactics helped him win.
     
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  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    This was prime Kovalev and the KD against Caparello wasn't legit

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  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Clenelo never would've fought a prime Kovalev but he fought a prime Bivol

    Kovalev dropped or dropped and stopped everyone he fought back then

    Boone
    Simakov
    Thompson
    Campillo
    Cleverly
    White
    Sillalkh
    Agnew
    Caparello
    B-Hop
    Pascal x 2
    Mohammedi
    Chilemba
    Ward first fight

    But he only dropped Shabranskyy after the first Ward fight from power - Yarde was more due to attrition and exhaustion than KO power. So that was 8 fights and only one opponent dropped from power and said opponent was chinny
     
  11. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Of course. It's self-preservation. It's one thing to take a decision loss, it's another entirely to get a physical beating. People want to protect themslves from bodily hard, it's an instinct.
     
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  12. GGGunbeatable

    GGGunbeatable Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why do you think Canelo wouldn't fight prime Kovalev? Canelo hasn't ducked anyone, went up many weight classes. He's a true warrior.

    He even wants to fight Usyk.
     
  13. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Because if you duck a prime GGG then you will definitely duck a prime Kovalev.
     
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  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Because he wouldn't have and rightly so because he would've got the crap beaten out of him and got stopped

    He claimed that diminished power and punch resistance shell of Kovalev was the ''best LHW in the world'' when he fought him and not Beterbiev or Bivol :lol:

    No he doesn't :lol:
     
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  15. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Kovalev from the first Ward fight was as good as he ever was in his whole career. He beats Bivol that night.