Prime Larry Holmes vs Mike Tyson

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Prime Larry Holmes vs Mike Tyson

  1. Holmes By PTS

    27.3%
  2. Holmes By KO/TKO

    18.2%
  3. Draw

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  4. Tyson By PTS

    2.7%
  5. Tyson By KO/TKO

    51.8%
  1. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If you've every seen the measurements they take from boxers' best and hardest punches, Shavers comes out #1, and there's a few btwn him and Tyson. Yes, Shavers was wild most of the time. But watch the right uppercut the fells Ellis, the left hook the drops Lyle, and the right overhand that decks Larry. All three punches were carefully timed. Shavers measured all three fighters before he dropped them. And fyi, I've seen every Shavers fight every filmed except Henry Clark I, and I've seen a lot of Tyson fights. Tyson throws a lot of flurries, and a lot of them miss. I think Tyson was accurate when he committed to a single knockout punch.
     
  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I didn’t vote. Truthfully I’m not sure. While Holmes was clearly long past his prime in his actual meeting with Mike Tyson, he was still beaten rather easily. And while Tyson eventually lost to a much lesser fighter in Buster Douglas, there were some key circumstantial factors as well as stylistic differences which may have made that loss moot in any comparison. Then again Holmes was a master boxer with great stamina, heart, durability and one of the best left jabs of all time. But even at his pinnacle struggled mightily and was nearly beaten by Norton, Shavers, Weaver and Witherspoon. At the end of the day I’m just not sure
     
  3. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The Douglas fight did have some stipulations, but of the films I've seen of Douglas (Berbick, McCall, Page), he fought much like Larry. He was fast and powerful with a lot of movement. But you're right. Larry was WAY tougher, had much superior stamina, and so on. I just think Larry has a history of defeating prime tough fighters legitimately and coming back from difficulty. Several of Tyson's best wins are over over-the-hill ex-champs, some of whom could not take a shot, and Tyson seldom won fights where he was almost gone but came back. Let's face it, Larry was nearly pushed to oblivion by Norton, Weaver, Shavers, and Witherspoon. Who pushed Tyson to the edge and still lost?
     
  4. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    swagdelfadeel, you're really too good. You're a great escape from all the insanity of the forum. I can't believe some of the psychos running wild.
     
  5. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Clown.
     
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    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Appreciate that buddy! You're not half bad yourself! You've quickly grown to be one of my favorite posters!
     
  7. Bonecrusher

    Bonecrusher Lineal Champion Full Member

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    Yeah this is a tough one to make a pick on for sure. Larry is higher in my mind on a Top Heavyweights of all time list when you take everything in to account 7.5 years as Champ and 20 title defenses is legendary type stuff. I’ve been back and forth on this one over the years. I just think that peak of his powers Tyson (Berbick to Spinks) is a nightmare for almost anyone and many of his strengths are bad news for Holmes. I get the Douglas - Holmes comparison but I think Tyson while physically he should’ve still been in his prime he didn’t prepare for that fight properly (it’s pretty well documented) and he was Also mentally checking out at that point. Holmes would for sure trash Tokyo Tyson. I can’t fault either side of this argument Larry did prove that he could walk through fire and come back and Tyson hardly ever did, but that’s not Tyson’s fault, he was so good and so dominant at his Peak that most couldn’t test him. I just feel like Tyson’s entire style was predicated on beating Larry Holmes initially because they assumed he would be champion still. That’s why I lean ever so slightly towards Tyson, but we need that Spinks version of Tyson, the lesser Versions of Tyson will get his heart ripped out and take a beating at the hands of Holmes.
     
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  8. William Walker

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    Plus Holmes still won on his bad nights like vs. Spoon and Bonecrusher
     
  9. Shahpoor Saiq

    Shahpoor Saiq Member Full Member

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    *someone hating on Tyson*
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    : Damn this guy is a good poster.
    (this is a joke if you don't get it)
     
  10. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Gave me a chuckle buddy. :lol: Well played. :thumbsup:
     
  11. William Walker

    William Walker Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Funny isn't it,
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    , only Tyson fans are the ones who are like "another person hating on Tyson". People hate Cleveland Williams all the time, did anybody call them haters? no, course not. How 'bout this post. NoNeck and some other people bashing ANYBODY that anyone thinks could beat Tyson. In reality, a Tyson hater is not someone who hates Tyson, it's a Tyson fan who hates people who see his flaws! lol
     
  12. Shahpoor Saiq

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    Ruddock both times, Francois Botha, Tony Tucker also gave him a hard fight.
     
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  13. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

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    I'd add Pinklon Thomas to the mix. They all gave Tyson a lot to think about. Even Ribalta stood toe to toe and fought back. Jesse Ferguson didn't go down until Tyson connected with solid bombs in the 5th.

    All those fights, every one of em, proved Mike could get someone out after 5 rounds. Or win a decisive decision. A couple things the haters claim he couldn't do.
     
  14. Berlenbach

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    I've never seen this. Is it based on some measurable criteria or just opinion?

    How much timing is really required to land an uppercut while your left hand is clamped around your opponent's neck (as Earnie was doing against Ellis)? I thought the Holmes KD was Holmes' error more than anything else... he threw a lazy uppercut without jabbing and left himself wide open.

    Earnie was always a swinger whereas Tyson would never have got as far as he did with his style without precision timing (plus speed, balance etc). When those attributes diminished and he started looking for the one punch KOs he was never as effective.
     
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  15. Shahpoor Saiq

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    Shavers was a bad finisher. He just threw punches hoping that they would hit.
     
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