Prime Larry Holmes Vs Prime Joe Frazier???

shavers was a hell of puncher and i would never use his name and the word awful in the same sentence.

 

Holmes would probably take tis one, seven times out of ten.

His jab will keep Frazier off and he has KO power. Faster, better movement.

 

Smoking Joe Frazier wins late TKO 13 rd or so.

 

Have you seen prime Holmes, or just him in the 90's?

 

I like frazier by late round TKO, it would be similiar to ali-frazier I except holmes couldnt take the pounding ali took. frazier grinds him down and gets to him late. close on scorecards at the time. holmes jab would be more problems for frazier but frazier would hammer away at larrys weak midsection and larrys problem of trying to brawl whenever he got hurt will catch up to him.

 

Larry's weak midsection? Larry took Cooney's hardest body shots that KO'd others with out even flinching. Of course, twice a left hook bothered Larry, other than that nothing (not counting the numerous low blows). I think some people are underrating Larry's mid section. Just because he didn't have a fancy 6 pack doesn't mean it wasn't solid. Later in his career he had a bigger stomach, but it still wasn't all that big for what his weight said. At 255/254 (Larry's fights with Butterbean and Weaver rematch) Larry's stomach was still smaller than a lot of guys out there now. Its all genetics. I went to a gym with the Mr. Natural universe (1986 and 2000), and he said and explained that some abs are mainly genetics. Thats why some have 8 pacs, and others have 2 pacs. He said in some rare cases some people don't have any at all, but it is extremely tight. In Larry's case, he wasn't born with large abs, so they would never be very defined.

 

I cant believe how much **** gets talked about smokin' joe. I dont care how good of a boxer you are, or how good you are at defending the left hook, you going to get hit with it sooner or later.

And lets not forget, frazier was one of the best heavyweight body punchers in history. After Smokin' joe goes to town on your core for about 8 rounds it aint so easy to run around and "jab his head off" anymore.

Im seeing a Frazier KO in round 9 or 10.

 

I couldn't have said it better myself.:happy

 

bill,just curious if your opinion would differ if you didnt have such close contact with him.any time someone has a different view than you you seem to react aggresivly.

 

"I cant believe how much **** gets talked about smokin' joe"

Ain't that the truth!

I can only guess that some of these people weren't around to see just what a force Frazier was from '67 to '71, or drawn their conclusions from the Foreman fight with all the knockdowns of an out of shape, past prime Frazier, or maybe some are pissed that Frazier beat Ali when they both were at or near their primes. Whatever.

I do know Joe Frazier at his prime was a beast, and he likely takes out Larry in the later rounds.

 

I do the same if they say something like that about Marciano. I hate it when 1 person says based on how a fighter looks, for example, Larry didn't have ripped abs, so people say he had a weak mid section. Which isn't even a little bit true. His mid section could take a pounding.

 

cooney hit holmes with a left hook to the midsection ending round 4 and larry looked like he wanted to cry. norton had some success attacking holmes midsection, a all time body puncher like frazier who tore up alis limbs would really work over holmes soft midsection

 

You're such a frigging brat Suzie

 

Holmes by late stoppage. Too much strength and power for Frazier to handle.. amazing jab + good clinching and inside work. I don't see how Frazier could win this.