Prime Lennox Lewis vs Prime muhammad ali 12 rounds

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by ForemanJab, May 31, 2014.


  1. markclitheroe

    markclitheroe TyrellBiggsnumberonefan. Full Member

    1,821
    27
    Sep 14, 2013
    Im a huge Lennox fan...but noooo way.
    Prime NOBODY beats Ali.
    Cant believe any educated boxing observer doesnt agree.
    At his peak..the guy ticked every box.
    Lennox was superb...but had his weakneses.
     
  2. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

    71,593
    27,263
    Feb 15, 2006
    This content is protected
     
  3. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,125
    Jun 2, 2006
    Ouch!
     
  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,125
    Jun 2, 2006
    Thank you.
     
  5. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    97,745
    29,125
    Jun 2, 2006
    Your opening sentence is the crux of the matter, who adapts best is the key.
    For me it is Ali by a close, but clear decision.
    I would like to add that}
    Outside of Ali , I think Lewis is the hardest guy stylistically for the other champs to face.

    N B Not the same as ranking him no 2 which I emphatically do not.
     
  6. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,985
    131
    Apr 27, 2013
    I usually like your posts, and obviously Ali was tremendous; I just question the "educated observer" bit!
    Ali DID look fantastic in his prime, but even then was he unbeatable? People slate Liston on here all the time, but give Ali huge credit for the Folley and Williams fights. Sonny hammered both years earlier and Williams in particular was a shell of the fighter Liston fought when Ali slaughtered him.

    I stress that this isn't really a knock on Ali, because the manner of those victories was certainly mind blowing. I'm just not sure about calling someone unbeatable, though. Even Robinson doesn't get that accolade.
     
  7. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

    34,221
    5,875
    Apr 30, 2006
    Unbeatable doesn't exist in boxing. There's been too many great fighters who would've been enough in a foil in some regard to say that anyone beats absolutely everyone. That's part of what makes "what if" matchups fun.
     
  8. markclitheroe

    markclitheroe TyrellBiggsnumberonefan. Full Member

    1,821
    27
    Sep 14, 2013
    Ribtickler and Rock..yeh fair comments..maybe i'm a little to confident on Ali...and yes nobody is unbeatable...however IMO at his best Ali was the nearest thing..i wont list his qualities we all know them...i think the biggest thing he has over Lennox is speed and intensity..Lennox had lots of quiet spells in his fights...this would catch up with him v Ali IMO...ALI comfy on points if nothing else ,for me.
     
  9. BUDW

    BUDW Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,927
    825
    Nov 23, 2007
    This goes in top 10 of stupid post
     
  10. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

    25,442
    9,428
    Jul 15, 2008
    A prime, focused Lennox Lewis is possibly the most dangerous heavyweight that ever lived .. However, I feel a prime Ali had the size, strength, reach, chin and speed to outpoint him .. one of the very few but I don't see Lennox getting set to land big and Ali's jab would cause him all kids of hell getting set ..
     
  11. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,985
    131
    Apr 27, 2013
    I hesitated before posting because I know what you mean about Ali; even past prime he could surprise you. In the Foreman fight he threw 2 lead rights to Foreman's head like another fighter would throw jabs; pop, pop in combination. I think it was the 7th round and you just don't see many fighters doing it.

    Even a totally gone Ali was counter left hooking Trevor Berbick in the early going; the man was incredible, no doubt.

    As to Ali-Lewis, I think you are right. I can see Ali tagging Ali with the right hand and out speeding Lewis. Lennox had a cracking jab which might give Ali trouble, though.
     
  12. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

    34,221
    5,875
    Apr 30, 2006
    I still can't shake that maybe Lennox's jab might be a touch overrated given the lack of great jabbers he faced (though Holyfield had a quality one) and Mercer completely outjabbing him in their fight. I'm certainly not saying Lennox didn't have an excellent jab, but I don't think it's a given he wins the jabbing battle against the other great jabbers the division's seen, Ali included.

    That's not to say Ali was immune to the jab himself, but I think that's the biggest opportunity for Ali to open up his offense in this one.

    What Lennox can take away is Ali's reliance on tying up and using his usual size advantage *which he won't have in this fight) in the clinch on the inside, and the opportunity can be there for his trademark uppercuts.

    I favor Ali because because of the movement and the jab, but a Lennox victory wouldn't entirely surprise me. Honestly, we really have no idea how Lennox does against a clever mover with a jab period, for better or for worse.
     
  13. Shake

    Shake Boxing Addict Full Member

    5,633
    58
    May 4, 2007
    While Lennox Lewis is a monster, I like Ali's reflexes against Lennox' long punches. Ali had great awareness in addition to his reflexes and would see a lot that Lennox does coming. When you are that fast and that aware, you're so hard to catch with long punches.

    The difficult thing is that Ali would have to come inside a little bit, but I think he generally makes it a masterclass, has to ship a couple of huge punches, survives and recovers to take home the UD.
     
  14. Hookandjab

    Hookandjab Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,618
    552
    Feb 19, 2014
    Lewis by decision or late round stoppage.
     
  15. gentleman jim

    gentleman jim gentleman jim Full Member

    1,640
    56
    Jan 15, 2010
    A few years ago...or a few more years ago...I picked Lewis to beat Ali in a hypothetical matchup. I was swayed by the size factor. I though Lennox had enough skill to compliment his size advantage to beat Ali....But I've changed my mind. Ali was close enough in size compared to Lewis but was faster in both hand and foot to avoid being tagged hard enough and often enough to get into any serious trouble. Plus Ali was strong enough to avoid being manhandled in the clinches by Lewis. If Foreman couldn't do it then I doubt Lewis could either. In the end I think Ali's speed combined with his will to win and toughness and chin would see him to a decision.