Prime Lennox Lewis vs Prime Rocky Marciano

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  1. sean

    sean pale peice of pig`s ear Full Member

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    i would have to look it up to jog my memory, but marciano had about 6 world title fights all when he weighed in as a very light cruiserweight by todays standards and his opponents were all small cruiserweights in todays terms as well.

    marciano simply was not a heavyweight in todays terms anbd the fighters he beat wre not heavys in todays terms.

    to give an anology 185 lb james toney 5.10 for a 185lb fighter decent power/speed/abilty.

    even with 50 added lb james toney could not crack and egg at heavy, his punches even v journeymen , not really effective and be strong heavys they had no effect whatsoever even when landing bang on the button and his opponent walking onto them his opponent not seeing them.

    evender holyfield in the first bowe fight at 204 , landed the kitchen sink on bowe , just could not hurt him or budge him.

    bulking up hepled evanders power but i think holyfield had a total of 4 ko wins in 20 world title fights and he was a big 6.2/ 215lb man compared to the 5.10 185 marciano.

    different era`s

    different size men.
     
  2. McGrain

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    I think that Marciano could most definitely get past the Lewis jab. He was a slippery *******, so hard to hit clean, he might have to suffer the jab to do it, but suffering to win was something that Rocky exelled at. If you watch Marciano fight, Walcott's comment that Marciano was "easy to hit, but hard to hit clean" are absolutley accurate in my view, and even the Lewis jab in absolutely tip top shape is going to leave him overextended v a boring in, aggressive opponenet.

    I don't think Lewis would be over reliant on the jab though. The reason I pick Lewis to win is actually nothing to do with that punch. Firstly, when you hit as hard as Lewis does, you don't actually need to hit clean to cause devistation, especially not when you are in with a smaller man who you can probably bowl over. Lewis had massive, accurate shots when Tyson got in on him, even in the first round when Tyson looked great (those uppercuts would have stopped a lot of fighters I think) and something similiar would happen here. In addition, I think Lewis' defensive infighting skills are horribley underated. Marciano would find himself leaned on, pushed, manhandled, his offence smothered under his opponents superior height, weight, and punch-picking.

    A stoppage is most likely, partly on pure exhaustion, although it'll be a punch that does it. Marciano goes out on his shield around 9 without having created anything like as much havoc as many think.
     
  3. McGrain

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    :dead


     
  4. McGrain

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    Said it before, and i'll say it again, brilliant video. More people should watch it before making a pick in this thread.
     
  5. Marciano Frazier

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    Assuming that Marciano is given appropriate opportunity to prepare for Lewis (sparring with big men, fighting a tune-up or two against modern opponents, bulking up somewhat in terms of muscle mass for bigger opposition), I believe he has too much resilience, power, awkwardness and endurance and takes Lewis out in the mid-to-late rounds.
     
  6. 196osh

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    Physically he just cannot win.

    This is not just a big scrub he is boxing. It is a guy who is a signifantly better boxer than him, who is great at keeping guy's on the outside who has nearly a foot of a reach advantage.

    Then if Rocky did get inside then he would be lent on by a much bigger man, who would outweigh him by a signifcant amount he would get worn down. Lewis is also a great infighter.
     
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  8. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    How exactly can you compare a guy the size and class of LaStarza to Lennox Lewis.

    He can't be KO'd? :roll:

    Jump out of Rocky's ass.
     
  9. RUSKULL

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    I'd have to go with Lewis here, just too big & Rocky's defense was too leaky.
     
  10. 196osh

    196osh Mendes Bros. Full Member

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    Carmine Vingo was 189lbs and was not a very big puncher, he also was not very expericned.

    Rex Layne was a great deal smaller :lol: The guy was never close to beoing world class.

    Lewis was the undisputed Heavyweight Champion for years. Beat every man he stepped in a ring with and was a very very good boxer.

    Big does not = great. But big and great nearly always beats small and great.

    Lewis's chin willst not infalable was not bad as shown by:

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    How does Marciano get inside, how does stop Lewis just pushing him about, how does Marciano deal with Lewis size advantages:

    7" in height
    17" reach. ****ing 17".
    60lbs in weight.

    Plus not being as good a boxer. FFS
     
  11. McGrain

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    I'm on the record as having picked Lewis, and i'm happy with that pick. Here are some reasons why Marciano has a chance to win.

    - He'd be the first great fighter, at peak, that Lewis ever fought.

    - He probably hits harder than the two men who KO'd Lewis, and he is far busier than both of those men.

    - He is fearless, and that fearlessness would allow him to execute his fight plan in a way Tyson was not able to.

    - He has Lennox outstripped for stamina. At his worst, Lewis would starch after 4 rounds (Rahman), at his best, he can't possibly match Rocky for workrate.

    - Lewis tends to be reticent against very aggressive opponents until he feels he has them where he wants them. This might play into Marciano's hands because Lewis on the front foot IS lethal.

    - Marciano is hard to hit clean, and this gives Rocky a very big, slower target to counter with hard punches, probably often.
     
  12. McGrain

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    It's also true that, when compared to PAST champions, Marciano is the smaller man. Guys like Jeffries (210, 6'2), Willard (230, 6'6), Carnera (260 6'5), absolutely dwarf him. Is it impossible for to pick Rocky over these guys too? Do people think that the ONLY Heavyweights that he was capable of beating were the ones he happened to fight? He was unbeaten for **** sake.
     
  13. McGrain

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    I disagree with this. Why do you think that Marciano didn't have a great chin? He was only ever flashed and recovered immediatly. In short, Marciano was basiclaly never seriously hurt whilst fighting as a HW boxer.
     
  14. McGrain

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    This video has already been posted in the thread, but you are right, it is a must watch for the guys saying "KO2" etc.
     
  15. 196osh

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    1. He was, but I don't think that means a great deal. Marciano never had a win over a prime great HW.

    2. Lewis was hit clean and took punches from bigger punchers than the two who KO'd him. It was more the fact he was not as switched on as he should have been in those fights and got caught.

    3. I don't think the fact he was fearless would come into it tbh, most boxers don't hold a great deal of fear when entering the ring.

    4. I dont think he would have to, he would also decimate Marciano's work rate with his jab, wither it was hitting or not. Marciano was not particularly fast of hand nor foot. Couple that with the MASSVIVE reach disavantage....

    5. Yes I agree to an extent. Which is why I would not be againt the fight going the distance. I am tending to swing the way of a stoppage now.

    6. He is hard to hit clean, but Lewis would not have to hit him clean to do damage. I think it would be a methodical beatdown.

    Marciano would find it hard to get inside and when he did, he would be much the weaker man and would be bullied around.