Prime Lennox Lewis vs Prime Rocky Marciano

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  1. tliang1000

    tliang1000 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lewis all day long. Too big, too strong, too tall, too skill and many more toos!
     
  2. onourway

    onourway Haye KTFO1 Wlad Full Member

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    No 190 pound fighter is ever beating Lennox Lewis.
     
  3. ron u.k.

    ron u.k. Boxing Addict banned

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    i don't think it's just about size,it's just that let's face it talentwise lewis was pretty good!
     
  4. Asterion

    Asterion Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Lewis would destroy him.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    OK. Now which all time great puchers did Bernard Hopkins with to prove his great chin? Which all time great punchers did Carlos Monzon trade with to prove his all time great chin? Your criteria for judging chins - a fighter who "Trades with all tie great punchers" - verges on ludicrous.


    This is indisputable, nor has it been disputed. You still haven't explained your contradiction of my statement that Rocky's three second knockdown followed by an attack on the opponent is anything other than a flash knock down, though.

    I have no idea why you are saying this to me. If you bother to read the thread you will see that I speak up in support of Lewis' chin as well as Marciano. For the record, though, i'd consider Walcott a better composite puncher than either of the men who stopped Lewis.

    Your point was not relevant, poorly explained and the details were far in excess of what was required to make your point. I was trying to point this out politely. There's no point, I see.
     
  6. MGUNZ48

    MGUNZ48 MGunz Full Member

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    The most overrated factor in a heavyweight boxing match is pure size.
    A true heavyweight is a man of around 6 ft tall, and 180 lb plus (in boxing condition), period. After that its about talent, and mental ability. Years ago I personnaly watched Roberto Duran beat the **** out of several 175-200 lb plus trained fighters in the gym (sparring) with the big gloves on. One after the other, he simply outboxed and outpunched these bigger guys. He was no more than 160 at the time. A large man only has the advantage if he can that size work for him. Big so-so fighters are just so-so fighters in the end. Marciano, and Frazier are smaller men that would have no trouble with any so-so fighter, even if he was 10 ft tall, and weighed 300lbs. While I don't think Lewis is a so-so fighter, I don't think he could have held off Marciano, Louis, Dempsey or Frazier over 15 rds.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Whilst I disagree with you about Lewis' chances v these fighters, this is a good post, thanks for firing out that story.

    How many rounds did Duran box, can you remember?
     
  8. MGUNZ48

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    This was at Gleasons gym in (if I remember right) 79-80?? Could have been a year or two earlier? I think he did 2 rds each with about 5-6 guys. He looks much bigger in person than he does on TV. (as opposed to RJJ who looks smaller in person) I went there with some friends as the word was out that he basicily would spar with anyone that showed up. (I was about 143lbs, with 3 amatuer fights under my belt) To be honest after watching him drop 3-4 big guys in a row I decided just to watch. There was also a very rowdy crowd there that was breaking balls on all the guys getting beat down. My young ego wouldn't let me try it. I was more scared to be embarasssed than to be KO'ed. To be honest I wish I just went for it looking back as a old man.
    Duran seemed to be a real nice guy also, making jokes, laughing. While that image of him is still pretty clear that was a long time ago, about 30 years?
     
  9. ron u.k.

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    very good post,i just disagree about lewis not being able to hold off those 4 admitedly great guys you mention.the size factor if your limited in talent and ability is diminished against smaller guys of superior talent,also a lot of bigger guys relatively speaking aren't as strong as some of the smaller guys.just because a fighter has size doesn't automatically mean he has strength.i'm sure marciano in particular was stronger than a lot of guys 2 and 3 stone heavier.my point with lewis is that besides just his size he had great strength and all round ability.he was a very strong guy and had a good array of punches to go with it.also when he trained up for the real big fights his stamina was good.of those 4 guys i think frazier gives him the most trouble,it's almost a 50/50 fight to me.the other 3 although all of them are great i think lewis ko's.
     
  10. McGrain

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    Man, you must be gutted you didn't get in with him now. Imagine you'd somehow lasted? If not, getting KO'd by Duran is pretty cool!
     
  11. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    If you put a 6' 180lb guy up against either Klitschko, or Lennox in his prime they will lose :deal They won't be able to get past the jab, and their much smaller bodies won't be able to stand up to the consistent jab snapping their heads back and right hands. You are just simply wrong man. Size is a factor. If you don't believe it, then watch Wlad vs Byrd :deal
     
  12. MGUNZ48

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    Yes I wish I did, However I got beat down enough by much lesser guys over the years to make up for it. HaHa A few years later I watched a buddy on my boxing team get stopped by a young Sweatpea Whittker. He was the best fighter on our team, and he was so embarrased by the loss he never fought again. However I am sure today as a old guy he tells everyone about it proudly.
     
  13. McGrain

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    Doesn't Byrd hold a win over one of the Klitchko's?

    Regardless, who do you think is the smallest man who could compete with Lewis?
     
  14. MGUNZ48

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    Byrd is not Marciano, watch Dempsey vs Willard, or Louis vs Primo to prove my point. While I will give you some lee way on Lewis, I won't on the Klitschko brothers. I think they are both way overrated, especailly Wlad.
     
  15. BewareofDawg

    BewareofDawg P4P Champ Full Member

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    What are you a boxrec jockey now? I know you know your **** so why would you ever bring this fight up???
    You saying this means absolutely squat and you know it. This fight is actually a good one to highlight MY point because Vitali was winning that fight, and he was doing it because he was so much bigger. Unless you think Vitali is the better boxer then Byrd and his 5 or 6 inch height advantage had nothing to do with it :deal

    Smallest man that can compete with Lewis? I hold Lewis in very high regard when it comes to H2H. Louis or Ali :deal