Just saying. Louis is pretty small...if we say his peak weight was 198? 6'2. How about a boxer, someone like Charles or Walcott? Do you think those guys are competitive? Not that you neccesarily have to pick them to win, just competitive, in a proper fight?
That wasn't one of your best arguments I've seen :good I know Louis is pretty small, and he fought "pretty small" competition for the most part. I actually have a hard time picking him over some of the later Great Heavies due to this size but am tired of getting flamed for picking against the Great Brown Bomber :good
I know very little about Charles or Walcott. So I'm not the right person to argue that with. But against Lennox, who is also a very good boxer and at least later in his career really knew how to use his strengths I would say it would be hard for them to out point him, compete? yeah. win? not likely.
This is outstanding. So if a guy is never hurt whilst fighting as a pro fighter, even as a swarmer with a reputation for limited defensive ability, in the heavyweight division, that is not proof enough for you of excellent punch resistance. Christ. Rocky got up and continued with the fight. Yes Walcott was dominating but he was dominating before the KD too. He took THREE ****ING SECONDS to get up and return to action. You don't understand what a flash knockdown is, I don't think. As you have already conceeded, Marciano was not seriously hurt. A knockdown where the victim is up in three seconds and isn't seriously hurt is what a flash knock down is. You are welcome. You are entirely mistaken in your opinion that a fighter needs to "trade punches" with one of the greatest punches in his divisions history to prove his punch resistance. This renders the general point you were making irrelevant. It was nonsensical, in fact. Look at the FACTS that exsist. Marciano was never stopped. Marciano was never seriously hurt. Marciano was a pressure fighter fighting in the biggest division. It's easy. It's nor hard at all.
I don't think Charles or Walcott would have a serious chance with Klit or Lewis either, but I do thin that fights with Walcott would be good fun.
No but I think if you look at how they match up size wise its a good example of how a smaller man could win. I could see Joe Louis using the same attack aganist Lewis, he really would have too if he wanted to win. The key to this fight is Lewis's jab. If Marciano, Frazier, Louis, or Dempsey could slip it. Or roll under it and counter punch Lewis would be in deep trouble. Easier said than done I'll admit.
I don't think he ever weighed in at 190, mostly around 185 at 5' 11 1/2''. Seems tiny by todays standards. Funny thing was that ever name fighter he ever fought said he was the strongest, and the hardest puncher they ever faced. (Charles, Louis, Walcott, Layne) Moore said "Marciano was by far the strongest man I ever fought, and trust me I have met some tough ones over the years." Coming from him that has to mean something? I think the mistake that most fans make with Marciano is that they mentally compare him to people they know that are 190 lbs. He was a genetic freak. A one in a million. He is not a normal 190 lb man, not physically or mentally. Its easier to be impressed by a huge man like Lewis. People like their heros to be bigger than life. But in the end boxing is about actions, not appearance, and in that catagory Maricano can stand with anyone, of any time, despite his size.
Marciano would of exposed the chin of Lewis. No brit wants to admit. But that is Lewis's weakest attribute. Marciano was in wars. Lewis hated to get punched, in fact when he did, he backed away. I think Rock hunts him down and puts him out late. :yep
Proved?!! What?! So far your only contribution to the debate has been to say that he "was never seriously hurt" and "didn't have a fight with Sonny Liston". Devastating stuff. This is lovely. Now what you are doing is this - ignoring half of the argument. Well done, yes, Ruddock was up at three seconds. Was he also "not seriously hurt"? Because that is the other part of the equation, and you know that. YOu're leaving it out because if you don't you can't call me a "twat" at the end of your post, which would read, "i'm sorry, you're quite right". Keep it up. It is also a fact that he was never stopped, never "seriously hurt". But you're not interested in those facts because they make you look stupid, or maybe drunk. I will say it one more time, to help you along, without any real hope. You don't have to fight an ATG puncher to prove your chin. If you fight the very best around, and they are mostly bigger men, you've proven it. Rocky got hit. Rocky never got stopped. It's not hard. It's easy. Yes, that's right, that's exactly what my logic dictates. You are so ****ing simple it actually hurts me. Well, welcome. What we really do need around here is another ****ing idiot that knows very little about anything but thinks he does.
Crazy arguments theujac... I must admit that I rate Lewis ahead of Marciano in my all time rankings at heavyweight, and I know I'll get flak for doing so, but one thing I cannot do is question Rocky's chin! Marciano was as tough as they come, he traded with the best of them and, as McGrain has quite rightly pointed out, was never stopped. Add this to the fact that boxing was at a very different place back then, if you were hurt a fight wasnt stopped, there was little focus on the defensive side of the sport and the gloves were a lot lighter. Taking all into account you have to consider Marciano as almost being made of granite!
And if Lewis was fighting cruiserweights he would be the Godzilla, almost a mythical character actually when talked about now after the way he would've destroyed everyone in his way without ever really being hurt.