Prime Louis vs Prime Marciano

If Louis wins it would be likely early. Marciano had better stamina so if the fight get longer the chances for rocky increment.it is a 50/50 fight to me

 

If pressed?...Marciano...you'd have to kill him to beat him.

 

I can see Louis breaking the Rock up with his punches he cut him when he was old.

The Rocks answer to his jab is the same as it is for everything he punches harder wherever he can hit him as often as he could.

The Rock had a bad style for boxers because he leaned back over his right leg forcing them to come into his short armed power band range.

Joe Louis was a perfectly balanced, fast, combination punching machine. I don't take the actual fight serious as far as any indication of a prime vs prime would go. Marciano I believe was starstruck fighting his idol and held back some until a few rds into it then started bombing away. Louis was a shell of his prime and his accuracy and power were there but the speed and combinations of his youth were gone. Like a car out of gas he was riding on fumes going into that fight.

The power speed and combos cut and stun the Rock and force a stoppage midway in the fight with the Rock still fighting but cut and bleeding.

 

It's hard to imagine Marciano losing a fight, but I can't see him beating a prime Louis.

I actually think Louis did well against Marciano, considering it was his last fight, and how great of a fighter Marciano is.

 

Prime Louis TKOs Marciano in a savage war. Accuracy becomes the deciding factor here

 

The power wasn't there, he relied on his jab and occasional left hooks ,how many right- hands did he throw?
Prime Louis stops Marciano late on.

 

Galento, Braddock, Schemlling, and Buddy Baer floored a prime Louis. He could be hit and he could be hurt. Louis was at his best against tall standup fighters and came forward or stood still, like Max Baer or Primo Carnera. Sharkey's legs were gone by the time he fought Louis so he too falls into this category. Louis did not look so hot against a bobbing crouching Godoy, who did not have 50% of Rocky's power. Rocky by late round TKO. Galenot puts him down, Rocky could not have?

 

Joe Louis the most accurate puncher the division has ever seen would batter cut and knock down Marciano in 6 rounds.
In 1951 Rocky wore down a very faded version of the once deadly Brown Bomber, this time its the 2 handed 205lb version.
Rocky would keep coming forward because that's the way he was but Louis has more than the jab, his right hand with 100% use and deadly left hook.

 

Precisely this. Marciano may well score a knockdown early on,though. After that it's all Joe.

 

The best version of Louis to face Marciano and Frazier would have been the edition we saw in Godoy II. Two primary factors were involved in the Bomber's loss of prime. Everybody knows of course that his hiatus for WW II was one issue, but I remain uncertain about exactly how much loss of potential was connected to his military service when I look at Mauriello. A properly nourished JJW may well have always given him the same problems actually presented in the ring after the war when I look at Joe's prewar issues with Pastor.

However, much more overlooked is the fact that Simon II was his final defense after WW II began, and that was also his final bout before Jack Blackburn's death, the last match a dying Blackburn was involved in preparation for. He simply wasn't going to improve after that, although Manny Seamon was a fine trainer in his own right.

From Godoy II in June 1940 to Simon II in March 1942, Louis would have been ready for any version of Marciano. He was stopping challengers on cuts during this period, and Rocky did not emerge from their showdown in October 1951 unmarked as Joe did. Neither liked to have their punching room crowded away, but Louis was the shorter puncher with the better hook and uppercut at close quarters.

If JJW could deck Marciano with his hook, and Moore with his counter right, then Louis could win rounds doing the same with flash KDs. Rocky may well have been virtually impervious to having his senses scrambled, but cut resistance is another matter. McCoy and Musto were officially stopped on facial damage in the year after Godoy II, while Godoy II and Galento could have been, at a time when referees were not as quick to halt bouts for that reason. (Aside from Charles, what was the worst facial damage Joe sustained in a fight? Of course Ezzard himself didn't exactly emerge from that one unmarked either.)

Eight rounds is how long it took for an excellent version of Marciano to finally put down a 37 year old Louis with a hook that surprised Joe. I don't buy Goldman's claim that prime Louis would have necessarily come after Rocky. Joe preferred to counter-punch, and Marciano would have accommodated. (When Louis was decked himself, it was usually with counters, from Schmeling, Braddock, Galento and JJW. Only Buddy Baer caught him against the ropes for a KD in his prime, a situation where Joe probably would have kept his feet in mid ring. Galento is a remarkable knockdown by Tony, because he beat Louis to the punch when Joe pulled back to telegraph his hook while Galento did not.)

No way cuts are not a factor for Marciano against prime Louis, but the face ripping Bomber of Godoy II to Simon II would be better evolved and experienced for this task than the phenom who knocked out Max Baer in September 1935.

 

Cheers Steve.I remember reading an article on the bomber in a mag in the 70s commenting on his visits to the canvas.
It said when Joe was at his peak he bounced straight back up.....against Marciano, he was 10 years older 20 fights more on the clock and thousands of rounds of sparring under his belt.
Many of these rounds were exhibition fights whist he was in the Olive drab uniform of his country helping out the war effort

 

louis would be put to sleep by the first real punch that marciano lands.

 

An old, decrepit Louis wasn't put to sleep or quite a while.

Louis stops Marciano late on cuts or by towel thrown in. Louis' power and efficiency takes its toll over the rounds.