Prime Marciano vs FOTC ali

Yeah Frazier was alot faster foot ad hand speed as effective as Marciano was at cutting the ring down he IMO does not beat Ali in that fight

 

marciano and ali draw evenly, with rocky scoring brutal knockdowns late to compensate for being down on points.

 

exactly

 

They were heavyweights in their prime at 6'3" 210lbs+ that Marciano never faced . You made an arbitrary criteria which according to your strictures would mean that Lennox Lewis for the early part of his career,Wlad in some fights,Haye, Joseph Parker in some fights, and current champ Deontay Wilder are not modern heavyweights.
More nonsense from the little nonsense.

 

One of the things that Marciano would have a problem with had he fought from the 70s on was that they didnt let fights go with as much blood as he had. They would have been more mindful of safety concerns.

 

"He never proved he could beat a fast, modern heavyweight with power."

You're moving the goal posts as to what size a modern heavyweight is. Go check out the current top 100 boxers and you'll find the overwhelming majority are over 230 lbs.

Plenty of fighters weigh less in their very early bouts than in their later bouts. David Haye is a cruiserweight who moved up, he is considered small for the division. Joseph Parker has weighed over 230 in all but 4 of his professional fights and he was right on the edge of it in all those fights. You're argument is terrible.

Deontay Wilder is known as a lighter heavyweight today. It's funny how whenever it's you and other modernists argue that Marciano or an old school fighter wouldn't beat a modern heavyweight because of size that these guys are all 6'4+ 230+ lbs but when I start arguing all of a sudden these guys shrink down to 220 lbs lmao. Talk about bias!

The only fighter you can even find that consistently weighs under 230 is Wilder. Have a good day, I hope you think long and hard about how bad you made yourself look here.

 

Good point, his fights with Simmons and Charles 2 would probably have been stopped today.The referees in both fights were thinking about doing it.

 

I did not leave the fast part out of the equation.

You did.

You chose to base your argument upon Ali's size, rather than his speed.

This left me no choice to point out that this was a weak stand alone argument.

I can understand why you might question Marciano's ability to handle a quality 230lb+ fighter.

I can even understand why you might question his chances against a 215lb fighter, who was renowned for being a wrecking Machine.

However, 215lbs is a manageable size advantage, when we are talking about this kind of match up.

As for the fast part of the argument, it is simple.

Pressure kills speed!