I'm thinking the best of Walcott beats Schmeling every time. It would be a tough fight, but Jersey was just too crafty.
Plenty going on in here. Very difficult to know who would get over their best punches first to be honest.
The idea has crystallised in recent years that Walcott was better, but few would have held this view during Walcott’s career, or in the years after it. It is a pick em fight of course, but perhaps Schmeling was a little bit better, at his brilliant best.
Yeah, the Walcott thing is weird. I know that Walcott was starving etc., but did the forum decide that he actually had a losing record versus ranked contenders who were ranked at the time he fought them? Or not? Can't remember.
Yes, I thought so, was it you who told me that most recently? It's odd that a fighter like this should have such an astronomical standing. I'm not saying he wasn't superb, because I think he was, but it maybe needs to be reigned in a bit.
Yeah it was back when I was putting together a thread. It was stunning. The only other guy that surprised me that much was Duran having less than 20 wins against top 10 guys, whereas all the other atgs were usually well over 20. But I think for heavyweights we measure those numbers differently. Foreman had like 7 wins, and norton was 4-6. But for a guy that we regard as that skilled it kinda seems crazy that he couldn't come out over .500 against top competition. I think Kurupt would disagree that it's not how many guys you beat but their quality so hey, whatever.
I take that back. Addie must never know but Zarate's number is very low. But you always get small numbers at the highest weight and the lowest two weights.
Schmeling wins. Very underrated today. If you credit him with the sharkey rematch win which 18 out of 21 ringside reporters felt he deserved as did gene Tunney and the NYC mayor who were both in attendance schmeling has a prime run of 32-1 up to the Baer match. Against top quality, add in the Louis victory and I find he is far more consistent than j j Walcott was.
To be fair to Walcott, he drew Louis 2X Charles 2X and Marciano 2X, which might have distorted the statistics a bit.
Yes, that's fair to say. You have to wonder how many fighters would have done better than 2-6 fighting Louis twice, Maricano twice, Charles four times.
Walcott beat Baski, Sheppard, Murray, Bivins, Gomez, Oma, Ray, Maxim x2, Agramonte, Harold Johnson, Charlesx2, He lost to Maxim, Layne, Louisx2, Maricanox2, Charlesx2, Ray, So that's 13 wins to 9 losses in his second career, so he's above .500, and all things considered that's pretty superb. If you go all the way back there's the losses to Tiger Jack Fox, Simon, and Ettore I believe. So maybe that would break even at 13-13 by my count.