Prime Max Schmeling VS Louis of the Rematch

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Prime Max Schmeling VS Louis of the Rematch

  1. Louis KO

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  2. Louis TKO

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  3. Louis Decision

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  4. Schmeling KO

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  5. Schmeling TKO

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  6. Schmeling Decision

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  1. BoxingFanOfIranianDescent

    BoxingFanOfIranianDescent Tony Galento was an African American boxer. banned Full Member

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    Its known that for both Louis bouts, Schmeling was past his best. Despite this, in the first match aged thirty, he took out Louis in a devastating and technically brilliantly performance. Of course, he lost the second via a complete blowout at the age of thirty-two. Many credit Louis's wipeout victory by claiming the Louis of the rematch was a considerably improved fighter, while a few others say Schmeling was past it. I believe it to be a mix of both.

    What if the best, peak version of Louis met with the best, peak version of Schmeling?
     
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  2. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I went with Louis by TKO but not sure what round nor weather or not it would be competitive. It stands to reason that a prime Max Schmeling would do better than he did in 1938 but I can’t see him beating the brown Bomber who by that point was an unstoppable force
     
  3. CrouchStanceBoxing

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    Tough choice so I won't bet.
    Both could win so I don't know.
     
  4. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Well according to crouch stance boxer, Schmeling threw the second fight with Louis, so we have to throw that fight out leaving us only with the first fight.

    Based on that I’ll go with Schmeling.
     
  5. BoxingFanOfIranianDescent

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    Keep in mind, the Schmeling of their first bout was already past his prime too, and he won. How would Schmeling at his peak done against the Joe of the first fight?
     
  6. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    My answer is the same. 1938 Louis and beyond beats prime Schmeling. Does Schmeling last longer and do more before he loses ? Perhaps
     
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  7. KasimirKid

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    The Louis of the rematch was motivated by a desire for vengeance and redemption. That desire led to an aggressiveness which we never saw Louis exhibit either before or after his second fight with Schmeling. If in this hypothetical match we take away Joe's memory and motivation derived from the first fight, we have a pure first encounter of both fighters at their best, but without the foreknowledge of what had previously transpired. This would result in a much less aggressive Louis than in the second fight, and it would give Max a chance to wear Joe down like he did in the first fight. And the prime Max would probably be slightly better than he was in the first fight (but not necessarily so because Max may have been at his best on that night). So I am not sure under this scenario that the outcome would be any different than the first fight.

    The other scenario would be that we assume this would be a third fight between Louis and Schmeling with both being aware of their history, but with each of them at their best. This would give Louis the knowledge of how effective he could be when he came out aggressively. Likewise, it would give Max a forewarning that he had to take steps to survive the first couple of rounds, either by meeting force with force or devising a defense in hopes that Joe would punch himself out. I think the increased self-awareness of Louis would work to his advantage in this case. He would be more explosive and would overpower the more methodical Max who needed time to wear down his opponents as in the first Louis fight, the Stribling fight, the second Hamas fight, the Harry Thomas fight, etc.
     
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  8. janitor

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    I suspect that the outcomes of these two fights, turned more on the tactics employed by each man than anything else.

    Louis simply fought a much smarter fight second time round, but part of that might have been down to his experience of the first fight.

    The question of how far Schmeling slipped between the two fights is a complex one.

    He remained active enough between the two fights, and he won everything, but his opposition was far enough below his level that they migth have masked a bit of slippage.

    Following the loss to Louis, he scored a rather impressive first round win over Adolph Heuser, but it is difficult to draw definite conclusions from a blowout.
     
  9. Stevie G

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    Louis still wins. Joe was peaking around this time but it would n't be a one round blow out. After a competitive few rounds,Louis stops Max somewhere between the fifth and the tenth.
     
  10. BoxingFanOfIranianDescent

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    Great answer.
     
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