Prime Mayweather vs Hagler of the SRL fight?

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  1. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The only prime Leonard loss was to Roberto Duran in Montreal, Duran's
    only one of the greatest fighters (Top 5-10) in the history of the sport at
    ANY weight class, Leonard though he loss that fight proved more about
    himself than Mayweather's done his entire career.
    In fact, IF the situation was Mayweather Jr facing Duran in Montreal
    I'd bet not only he wouldn't have won, he wouldn't have made it past 10rds.
    So buy into that "Undefeated" nonsense that was manufactured by brilliant
    management on his part. But real knowledgeable boxing fans no better.
     
  2. Loudon

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    For a start, Marvin was a southpaw. Yes, he could switch. But he was predominantly a southpaw.

    You can’t get more opposite than that.

    Also, even when he was declining, he went to war if he needed to.

    Two years before he fought Ray, he had a shootout with Hearns.

    Just one year before he fought Ray, he went to war and had a shootout with John Mugabi.

    When did Canelo go to war?

    When did Canelo have a shootout?

    Yes, there were instances where Marvin would box from an orthodox stance, showing similarities with Canelo. But overall, they were very different fighters.
     
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  3. Loudon

    Loudon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    My posts are always logical.

    What does the above have to do with Marvin fighting Floyd?

    Of course smaller fighters can beat bigger fighters. Every knowledgeable fan knows that. There’s countless examples to give.

    Ray waited for Marvin to age and then beat him by dancing and being offensive with blazing combinations, whilst Marvin stood off of him and showed him too much respect. But how could/would Floyd have replicated that strategy?

    I’m not saying that Floyd couldn’t beat Marvin just because Marvin was bigger and stronger. I’m saying that as well as that, the stylistic match up would also have favoured Marvin.
     
  4. Loudon

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    Are you actually being serious with this level of thinking?

    I don’t know if I believe you.

    Are you trolling?

    Are you Red Rooster?


    Floyd being undefeated has absolutely no relevance here.

    Ray getting knocked out when he was at the end of his career also has absolutely no relevance here.

    This would be the thinking of a casual fan.

    Skewed logic.

    Styles make fights.

    Floyd breezed by Canelo in 2013.

    Yet less than a year later, he was given hell by a crude Maidana, who was nowhere near as skilled as Canelo.

    It doesn’t matter if you think that Floyd was a better fighter than Ray.

    All you’re looking at, is how Floyd and Ray specifically matched/would have matched up with Marvin.

    Nothing else is relevant.

    It’s always about the styles.

    Floyd was on a different planet to a guy like Iran Barkley. But it doesn’t mean that he could have beaten Hearns like Barkley could.

    This shouldn’t need explaining to you.

    Again, Ray beat Marvin by dancing, and by being offensive, where he threw great, rapid fire combinations.

    Marvin stood off of him and showed him too much respect.

    Realistically, Floyd would not have fought Marvin in that manner, and Marvin would never have shown Floyd the same amount of respect as what he showed Ray.

    A Floyd vs Marvin fight would have played out completely differently.
     
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  5. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Will the real Red Rooster please stand up, please stand up

    yup it is the Rooster

    "Here they come to snuff the rooster
    Yeah, here come the rooster
    You know he ain't gonna die
    No, no, no, you know he ain't gonna die"
     
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  6. Loudon

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    He was faded, as was Ray. It wasn’t the absolute shell of Marvin though. He just went with the wrong strategy, where Ray was very fast, and also very offensive with blazing combinations, especially at the end of the rounds.

    Floyd was also faded at JMW. Faded as in - still great, but well past his absolute prime.

    How would the later WW-JMW versions of Floyd have beaten Marvin, when he wouldn’t/couldn’t have replicated Ray’s strategy?

    You say that Floyd would PROBABLY have won.

    Probably, how?

    What is this based upon?

    The match up would stylistically have favoured Marvin.
     
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  7. Mark Dunham

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    I spelled it out for you saying that if a fighter's reflexes are sufficiently slowed, a good skilled smaller man can outpoint the bigger man.

    This is what happened to Larry Holmes in 1985 as Spinks won the historic match, and Jimmy Young in 1976 vs Ali

    and also in the Hagler fight. Part of the problem was Hagler's faulty tactics but a major part of it was Hagler's major decline. Who doesn't know this already?
     
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  8. Mark Dunham

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    Floyd has the record to prove it and has beaten them all including Marquez, Canelo, and even Pac. it's like a whos who of all time greats

    Floyd was able to win at an age that Leonard couldnt pull it out

    so while Leonard was 34 in the loss to Norris, he WAS favored to win and really should have

    I dont see why you bring up Maidana.so what if he was given hell? Leonard was given hell by Kevin Howard. Ali was given hell by crude Oscar Bonaena. A fighter cant struggle once in a while?

    While Leonard was great in his time, Floyd was even greater in his time, and for much longer
     
  9. ETM

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    Ray had to run alot. You think Mayweather would use that strategy?

    I don't mean to suggest Ray Leonard ever beat Marvin Hagler.
     
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  10. surfinghb

    surfinghb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This disqualifies you and proves that to bring up Marquez as some great win for Floyd shows you how thin his resume actually is . How is dragging JMM up 2 weight divisions and not even bothering making weight himself something spectacular .. hell .. take a break and go eat some Turkey .... your performance is like the Detroit Lions ... Happy T day ... btw
     
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  11. Mark Dunham

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    Thanks SB

    I'm starting to think some people resent Floyd's spectacular success.

    He isnt history's most successful fighter (and richest) without reason!
     
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  12. ETM

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    Nothing to do with Mayweather for me. I give 0 credit for the Hagler "win". Terrible night for the game. Terrible night for sports. No justice.
     
  13. Mark Dunham

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    I pegged Hagler the winner 116 - 113
     
  14. ETM

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    He was fighting two guys in there. With Steele bought and paid for by Leonard's camp.
     
  15. ETM

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    The other nite Shaun Porter honored Hagler with his style robe entering the ring with WAR on it. "Hagler was the "fighter's fighter."