Prime Mike McCallum beats Canelo or GGG like a drum

You can train and train and still not be a good boxer. What's your point here?

 

But, you're insulting a boxer's ability to try and prove x is a better boxer than y for ''resume'' purposes. I think you're just over-complicating things now.

That's been the main crux of your argument here is that Lemieux is a better boxer than Jackson because Jackson has ''caveman'' skills? Where's the middle ground here with both guy's abilities. I'd say both are glass cannons whilst Jackson being the better boxer. That doesn't mean he's a great boxer of course.

I did not say Lemieux is a complete trash boxer. I think his power is overrated, yes.

 

My point is that if somebody doesn't train and they get beaten because of that then they were ****. It's objectively true.

 

I don't know what the four digit word is. **** in that particular fight, yes. **** overall probably not, no. Obviously not in Toney's case as he'd have achieved nothing afterwards.

 

Au contraire, it's other folks who have been saying how much better Mike's era was over the current division, and saying modern resumes are crap.

I've provided evidence for that. Somebody swinging so hard they nearly tip themselves through the ropes is skilled?

Are we giving out participation trophies now?

I've already pointed out why Jackson is not the better boxer. I've provided reasons. He may have a bigger punch.

 

I have work to do now. See you guys later.

 

You're saying that the majority of the posters on this thread are viewing the past boxers through ''rose tinted spectacles'' which could be said with this new crowd in the sense they're overly dismissive of the older generation of fighters because they're so enthralled in the hype with the new school.

Saunders could've scored a knock out victory here if he didn't keep composed and listen to his trainer.

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Saunders got rocked in this fight just like Jackson got rocked vs Graham (Jackson's wasn't as bad). Yet, you wouldn't say Saunders is a **** boxer would you?

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What about all the boxing fans on here saying Ali would be destroyed by Joshua because he's ''too small''. That was being pushed for a long time on here.

 

Good post.

I respect your opinion.

I think Kalambay would have been a very tough fight stylistically.

Watson would have given him a great fight.

I don’t agree with you where you’ve said that he’d have stopped Steve Collins. I really can’t envisage that happening. Steve Collins was extremely strong at the weight. As we know, he went on to have a career as a SMW where he continued to show his toughness. I think it would definitely have gone the distance.

I don’t think he’d have beaten the versions of Toney who Mike fought.

Yes, Mike was more proven and he’s definitely under appreciated.

 

I said that he was bigger, as in terms of height and reach.

I know that Lemieux was heavier.


Regarding the video, out of 40 fights at MW, you’ve deliberately gone out of your way to pick the worst version of James.

You know that’s silly.

He was fighting every 2 months or less at that stage.

The Tiberi fight was just 7-8 weeks after his classic first fight against Mike.

He just went through the motions in fights like that.

He had a hectic schedule.

The version of Toney who fought Dave Tiberi would never have beaten fighters like Mike, Nunn or Reggie Johnson. We know that.

He’d had 46 fights before he’d fought Roy at 26.

Now if you want to say that GG would have beaten the Tiberi version of him, then I’d agree with you. But the version of him who fought Mike was fully focused, where he fought to his full capabilities, due to the huge amount of respect that he had for him.

That was the best version of James. Fighting a guy who he and his trainer respected and admired.

Regarding him stopping GG, who’s said that? I’ve not noticed anybody claiming that. I don’t think he’d have stopped him. But I definitely think the best version of James would have beaten him.

Posting up the Tiberi fight as evidence that he wouldn’t have been able to have beaten GG, would be like me posting up BJS’ fight against Artur Akavov, as evidence that he wouldn’t be able to beat Canelo.

What about Canelo?

Do you think that the version of Canelo who fought Floyd, who stood off of him all night and showed him far too much respect, would have had a chance of beating Mike at JMW?

What about GG?

If we look at GG fighting Toney, we’re not going to be looking at today’s version of him. We’re going to be looking at a version of him from about 6-7 years ago.

We have to look at the best versions of each fighter. Otherwise it’s silly.

I would favour the best versions of James over the best versions of GG and Canelo.

 

There’s no context in uploading the Tiberi fight.

 

I’ve never said that GG’s resume is crap. But you want to rank GG ahead of Mike, as he made 20 title defences whereas Mike didn’t.

It’s not as simple as that.

Making 20 title defences doesn’t mean that he was better than Mike and that he should have been favoured over him.

Most of those defences were against B and C class fighters.

A number of MW’s both past and present could have made those same number of defences if they’d had that same opportunity.

 

I havent watched much of Collins lately, maybe he is tough enough, but When he fought Eubank and Benn, I think they were past their best. I just watched McCallum vs Graham, and to me Graham is a KO waiting to happen against Golovkin, standing their with his hands down and chin up, he would definitely get Proksa'd or Ashida'd, lol. I would love to see that one. He would make the GGG highlight reel for sure.

 

Thank you for giving us your opinions.

 

Exactly this. Graham was a fun, skilled boxer to watch. He was taking Jackson apart like a clock. But he got careless for one second with that chin stuck in the air like he was at tea with the queen, and JJ clubbed him like a baby seal. There's no question in my mind that a fighter like Golovkin would exploit those holes.

 

He is made to order with that pencil neck. He might not get out of the 3rd round.