Prime Mike Tyson (88) vs Prime Muhammad Ali (66)

To be fair Witherspoon got blown out by Bonecrusher, is the only reason Tyson vs Witherspoon didn't take place.

Tyson was in prison for most of Bowe's short prime.

Tyson vs Moorer could never really of took place, as Tyson was in prison. And then Tyson was banned from boxing after Holyfield fight.

Again Tyson was in prison when Morrison was at his best.

I also think its unfair to criticize a great fighter whos completely shot, for quitting on their stool. When fighters like Duran quit in Leonard fight, and also Chavez quit on his stool. I don't think anyone thinks less of them as fighters for that.

Also you criticize Tyson's wins over Holmes, Spinks, but yet Tyson is the only one who ever stopped them.

 

60/40 in Ali's favour because after round 4/5 Ali is now a strong favourite.

 

He was top ranked in a not so great era. And my point is still valid, his skillset was very poor compared to ATGs. And he was slow.

Chuvalo wasn't the only one that landed on prime Ali, but he was one of the poorest opponents that managed to do that, that's why I gave him as an example.
My point was that if even a poor opponents like Chuvalo landed, than it's more than obvious that Tyson will land plenty.

 

Ok well horses for courses, then.

 

It all good Rich. I don’t think there’s actually any OTT arguing here.

Btw, I saw your post on the GROWING UP thread in the Lounge. Great post my man and nice of you to share all that.

Solid family and upbringing is so important and sadly not everyone is lucky enough to have that.

 

C'mon guys, we all know the answer: Ali beats Tyson before the bell even rings with his Jedi mind tricks because quite frankly...he never beat anyone before the bell with his Jedi mind tricks. Only Mike Tyson will fall for it because he's such an idiot.

I concur with Joe Rogan here...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/A1Ia2Z628jk

 

Tyson would be tough and dangerous early on but Ali would wear him down and over 15 possibly stop him for mine.

 

Muhammad Ali would have fought all those guys (Twice)
Okay what makes you great when you quit on your stool? - Did Ali ever quit on his stool? -People paid good money only for Tyson to take the coward's way out against Holyfield, and should have been banned for life!- How many times he get knocked out flat on his back? I THOUGHT POST WE WERE TALKING ABOUT WAS ALI VS TYSON. not Chavez and Duran?

 

In your previous post you said Tyson didn't fight this guy or that guy, i already told you Witherspoon would of fought Tyson if he beat Bonecrusher. Witherspoon got blown away in 1 round, so he missed his opportunity and so Tyson fought Bonecrusher instead.

Most of the other fighters you mentioned i already told you Tyson was in prison, and then when he came out got banned from boxing after Holyfield fight. So during 1992 to 1999 there was only 1 and a half years window of oppourtunity where Tyson was actually fighting. So none of the fighters you mentioned like Morrison, Moorer, were ever realistically possible due to the timeline.

Again i brought up Chavez, Duran, because your saying Tyson isn't a great fighter because he quit on his stool whilst being shot fighter. Yet Duran, Chavez, also quit in fights with Chavez also quitting on his stool. My point is does anyone think less of them as fighters, or think they're not great fighters because of that ?

I'm not fan of Tyson but he's Top 10 ATG Heavyweight for what he achieved in 80s, i don't see how he can't be. He cleaned up and unified the Heavyweight divison in 80s which Holmes failed to do, Tyson literally did it in a few years.

 

Tyson is a bubble top ten fighter for his dramatic knockouts but his resume is thin when compared to Ali.

 

I'm not saying Tyson's resume is close to Ali's, but then again who's is regarding Heavyweights ? He has the best list of victories by far over any Heavyweight even including Joe Louis, although Louis was far more dominant although against lesser opposition overall.

But Tyson is rated top 10 ATG by most people and rightly so, you can say hes overrated which he can be especially by his fans. But his achievements in the 80s get underrated nowadays by hardcore boxing fans, he dominated/cleaned out and unified Heavyweight division. And beat pretty much every worthwhile opponent in the 80s.

 

Everyone's resume is thin compared to Ali's when you include opposition faced. Still, Tyson has some accomplishments that place him firmly in that Top 10. Same with Larry Holmes, Joe Louis, Lennox Lewis and a few others.

 

The post seems to be asking about a fight between them at two specific points in their career not a comparison of their whole careers though. 1988 Tyson was one of the most elite naturally gifted HWs ever so I think he could have caught Ali in a fight at that specific point in his career.

I do agree Ali should be ranked higher than Mike on a career/legacy basis.

 

WHATS WITH ALL THE EXCUSES AGAIN
WHOS FAULT HE WAS BANNED , WHO'S FAULT HE WAS IN PRISON, TRUTH IS KING Promotions was not gonna fite any dangerous boxers/ punchers Only reason they fought older Holyfield they thought he was done, big surprise for them huhhhh?

 

Thanks Buddy.