Prime Mike Tyson vs Prime David Tua

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by InMemoryofJakeLamotta, Sep 12, 2018.


Page 2 of 4
  1. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

    4,899
    7,580
    Jul 18, 2018
    Yep, don't deny that at all
     
    The Undefeated Lachbuster, Sep 12, 2018
    The Undefeated Lachbuster, Sep 12, 2018
    #16
  2. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    23,788
    2,390
    Aug 26, 2004
    Tyson had the faster hands in a combo and more energy early. In this fight it would not be a chase for anyone, this has to be a shoot out and 3-4 rounds would be longer than I expect.

    My guess is Tyson by KO or stop before the 5th
     
    Bummy Davis, Sep 12, 2018
    Bummy Davis, Sep 12, 2018
    #17
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta likes this.
  3. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

    9,143
    4,089
    Nov 13, 2010
    Wow, I'm surprised Tyson is shutting out Tua in this one. I've been around boxing forums and a lot of fans put Tua up there. Good to see this place still has many knowledgable posters.

    By the way, Tyson's chin is top tier. He didn't pack it in like Tua did against Lennox Lewis. He kept coming forward. The better skilled fighter with multiple weapons wins this one.
     
    Sangria, Sep 12, 2018
    Sangria, Sep 12, 2018
    #18
    impacted, RockyMarciano, ticar and 3 others like this.
  4. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

    8,369
    7,199
    Nov 22, 2014
    This. The way Buster Douglas was attacking from all angels and beating Tyson to the punch almost every time neutralized almost all of Tyson's offense. Tua doesn't have that type of versatility to his offense.
     
    Jackomano, Sep 12, 2018
    Jackomano, Sep 12, 2018
    #19
    Smokin Bert, Sangria and InMemoryofJakeLamotta like this.
  5. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

    17,460
    12,892
    Sep 21, 2017
    Why does Foreman get to use the excuse of being tired, but when Tyson uses it, it's just that, an excuse?

    A 36 year old washed up Tyson took 8 rounds of punishment from 245 pound mega puncher Lennox Lewis. Tyson was outweighed by about 15 pounds.

    A prime, in shape, clean living 25 year old George Foreman took 8 rounds of punishment from relatively light hitting Ali, who he outweighed by 4 pounds.

    And Dempsey is an exception. The general rule is bigger men hit harder. Why not compare Dempsey to Lennox Lewis instead of Valuev if size is meaningless?
     
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta, Sep 12, 2018
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta, Sep 12, 2018
    #20
    Pat M, Bokaj and Sangria like this.
  6. Sangria

    Sangria You bleed like Mylee Full Member

    9,143
    4,089
    Nov 13, 2010
    You know what bugs me the most? Tyson detractors saying he never got off the canvas to win a fight. I give more credit when a fighter doesn't get knocked down than someone who gets decked and wins.
     
    Sangria, Sep 12, 2018
    Sangria, Sep 12, 2018
    #21
    mrkoolkevin, Pat M and InMemoryofJakeLamotta like this.
  7. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

    17,460
    12,892
    Sep 21, 2017
    Same here.
     
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta, Sep 12, 2018
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta, Sep 12, 2018
    #22
    Contro and Sangria like this.
  8. Rope-a-Dope

    Rope-a-Dope Boxing Junkie Full Member

    10,138
    7,985
    Jan 20, 2015
    Using "give more credit when a fighter doesn't get knocked down than someone who gets decked and wins" logic, Tex Cobb's loss to Larry Holmes was a more impressive achievement than Rocky Marciano's win over Jersey Joe Walcott.
     
    Rope-a-Dope, Sep 12, 2018
    Rope-a-Dope, Sep 12, 2018
    #23
  9. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    14,436
    2,839
    Feb 18, 2012
    He did get knocked down though and KTFO........
     
    Wass1985, Sep 12, 2018
    Wass1985, Sep 12, 2018
    #24
  10. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

    17,460
    12,892
    Sep 21, 2017
    Well we're assuming that they win the fight as well.
     
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta, Sep 12, 2018
    InMemoryofJakeLamotta, Sep 12, 2018
    #25
    Sangria likes this.
  11. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

    55,210
    49,521
    Apr 27, 2005
    I've never seen Douglas and Holyfield called light handed, until now. The description fits neither.
     
    JohnThomas1, Sep 13, 2018
    JohnThomas1, Sep 13, 2018
    #26
    Sangria and Pat M like this.
  12. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

    55,210
    49,521
    Apr 27, 2005
    The point of diminishing returns is definitely above 180 imo. More like 200-210 for me.
     
    JohnThomas1, Sep 13, 2018
    JohnThomas1, Sep 13, 2018
    #27
  13. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    28,662
    14,033
    Jan 4, 2008
    Tua probably has an advantage in work rate, but that doesn't compensate enough for Tyson's superior speed and skill. Mike wins this.
     
    Bokaj, Sep 13, 2018
    Bokaj, Sep 13, 2018
    #28
    The Undefeated Lachbuster and InMemoryofJakeLamotta like this.
  14. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

    4,899
    7,580
    Jul 18, 2018
    I don't give Tyson an excuse, while Tyson had better stamina that Foreman, Tyson still had bad stamina.

    Dempsey hit harder than Lennox Lewis
     
    The Undefeated Lachbuster, Sep 13, 2018
    The Undefeated Lachbuster, Sep 13, 2018
    #29
  15. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

    4,899
    7,580
    Jul 18, 2018
    For Heavyweights they were. They don't hit as hard as say, Max Baer, Floyd Patterson or Luis Firpo
     
    The Undefeated Lachbuster, Sep 13, 2018
    The Undefeated Lachbuster, Sep 13, 2018
    #30
Page 2 of 4