Prime Mike Tyson vs Prime Jack Dempsey

Even if they were the same size frame, holyfield had added 20+ pounds of muscle to his frame. So that obviously makes him much. MUCH. stronger than he had been before he added 20 pounds. Anyone who has lifted weights knows how drastic the difference in strength is if you gain that much pure muscle. He wouldnt have gone through the trouble of gaining that much strength and mass if it hadnt been worth it.

People are forgetting tysons jab and ability to fight on the outside(early in his career).
Dempsey was fast but peak tyson could deal with handspeed as seen against tubbs.
Dempsey would definitely want to get inside, and against 96 tyson it would probably work too(as seen in the holyfield foghts) but im not sure if 87 or 88 tysons jab, footwork and timing would allow denpsey to get close without eating a bomb or two on the way in.


I could see a scenario where dempsey wins, especially if in fantasyland where this fight takes place dempsey is allowed a 6 month prep where he can gain muscle, but tbh tyson is more proven against a variety of different styles and attributes.

 

You can't tell how big Holyfield is from that picture? That's pretty strange. It's rather obvious how big holyfield is. You could put him next to Valuev and still tell accurately how big he is.

[url]http://www.boxnews.com.ua/photos/1666/Nikolay-Valuev-Evander-Holyfield57.jpg[/url]

By your logic Holyfield should look like a toy right? When in fact he looks just the same as if he weren't next to Valuev.

Like I said, Dempsey was unusual in the fact that he had a disproportionately large upper body. You can see it in plenty of film. That's why we're talking about it. Maybe your confused and think that I mean that all 190 lbrs are as big as Holyfield? That's not the case.

The 20 lb difference is just that. 20 lbs. It doesn't really mean anything because we're talking about the dimensions of these two fighters. Not the weight.

If you don't mind I don't really care about this small aspect of the argument. Let's both be honest with each other, we aren't going to change our minds and you've pretty much already set it in stone in your head that the measurements of Holyfield for the tale of the tape were when he was a cruiserweight even though theres no way in hell that Holyfield had a 19.5 inch neck at 190.

 

Or put thread starting restrictions on selective users.

 

Sure, Holyfield could probably put up bigger numbers on the weights but when it comes to boxing related strength Dempsey has it hands down. You have to remember that Dempsey was pretty good in the grappling arts. This has a better carryover to inside fighting and boxing than bench press, deadlifts, or whatever.

 

I can think of 2 or 3!

 

Thanks commie. Like a good liberal you censor those you disagree with. If you don't want to read the thread then don't.

 

You said punishment which made it sound like Ruddock was beating on Tyson instead of the other way around

 

I don't think anybody is saying that but it can't be denied that skill in a certain technique will be better than just raw strength. That's why in wrestling the stronger wrestler doesn't always win but rather the wrestler with the better technique. Boxing like anything is about technique, all facets of boxing that is. Now if you have technique and strength then thats fantastic but technique is much more useful and applicable than strength in most cases.

 

Holy had both technique and strength. He became a master infighter and grappler/mauler from the bowe fights and his age and muscle related declining workrate(which forced him to spend much more time inside wrestling and mauling). Let's not forget Tyson had much bigger, stronger thighs than him yet holyfield was able to back him into the ropes in the clinches because Tyson squared up after missing the big right hand he kept throwing while holyfield put his front foot between Tyson's squared up feet and pushed him back on his heels.
When he wanted to, he managed to backup Bowe, Tyson, Lewis, rahman etc. Everyone except Foreman who was just too massive and strong and hit the weights himself

 

Let's slow down here. I'm not claiming Ruddock didn't hit as hard as Dempsey punch for punch, he may have hit harder I have no clue. What I am saying is that Ruddock didn't effectively combat Tyson over 19 rounds in the ring. I remember specifically in the first fight that Ruddock was getting beat up pretty bad by Tyson. Rather one sided, not the equal battle that produced thunder and lightning that many portray it as.

Tyson had a good chin. There's no denying that but he could be stopped and it surely didn't take a lot of power to stop him.