Prime Mike Tyson vs the Joshua of today?

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  1. dan4579

    dan4579 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This is a bit off topic, but I actually had the chance to chit chat with Manny Steward at a casino not to long after the Lewis-Tyson fight. After congratulating him and all that, I asked "So I have to know...Is Mikes power really all that because to me it seems a bit exaggerated, but I've never seen it at ringside". Manny said something like "Oh no, that mutha-****er can punch. He has lost a lot, but he still punches like a mutha-****er. That's why I stayed on Lennox so much to get it over with." It's kind of amusing actually how Emmanuel, in casual chit chat, uses the term "mutha-****er" nearly every sentence
     
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    We'll have to agree to disagree that history has shown Mike can overcome a size disparity such as that. To me the closest examples are the 6'5 Tucker UD win, the 6'4 Douglas Loss, the 6'3 228lb Bruno win, and the Ruddock fights. I don't really rate the second Bruno fight or the Bruce Seldom fights because those guys looked scared to death. At any rate, I feel Mike struggled much more with those guys than the smaller heavyweights with which he made his reputation/legend. Also, I don't feel any of those guys present the full package of height, weight, power and hand speed that AJ does. Regardless I don't think it would be a slam dunk or easy fight for AJ, those are just the reasons why I would favor him. Cheers
     
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  3. Brujo

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    I would probably favor AJ Because physics is a thing and Tyson is just a wittle guy.

    Tyson's best win is an elderly Holmes. AJ's best win is an elderly Klitschko.

    Not sure we've even seen prime AJ yet.
     
  4. Loudon

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    Wow!

    That's awesome mate. Amazing.

    I'd have loved to have met him.


    Just to clarify, when I said: "I don't care what Manny said.."

    I meant that because in my opinion, it was of no relevance due to where Mike was at that point.

    Of course, I would have respected anything that Manny said. But in 2002 in Memphis, Mike didn't have a chance of getting inside.
     
  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Fair enough.

    Great post.
     
  6. UFC2015

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    Freddie Roach talks out of his ass many times with his predictions and opinions on fighters. Emmanuel Steward is no different, Lewis's achievements makes him look good, there is no way he was every going to admit "No Lenni got lucky, Lenni was lucky to fight him at the right time, Lenni still fought a dangerous Tyson". Tyson's subsequent showings against Danny Williams and Mcbride reveal the Tyson that Lewis fought. The fact that it took Lewis close to his prime almost 9 rounds of constant brutal destruction to put away a fat, over weight, cocaine snorting, touching on grandfather time Tyson is a good guage of how differently the fight would have turned out if this was an 80's Tyson.
     
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  7. UFC2015

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    If Lewis was facing the 1985-88 Tyson and if he knew it full well when turning up to the ring, trust me his body language would be a whole lot different. The fact he was hessitant to press on the peddle and to put away a ghost punching bag tells it all.

    If winning every round, having the highest work rate but failing to knock out a fighter is called struggling then no point in debating.
     
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    This.
     
  9. UFC2015

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    AJ is going to gas badly if he gambles with his combinations. Tyson throughout his career showed an ATG chin and it is completely certain he will take AJ's best shots, question is can AJ take Tyson's punches? Based on his chin record from the Amatuers, sparring, the Whyte punch and the Klitshko knock down, doubt it. The moment AJ wobbles, Tyson will be all over him.
     
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    It's not just his chin but his stamina. I find it inexcusable that a guy gasses after throwing combinations for 1-2 rounds, he was badly gassed in round 5 which allowed Klitschko to come back into the fight after a bad knock down to the point he became completely low volume in rounds 7-10 and was looking gasses in round 11 as well when throwing his punches, had it been a fighter who could take AJ's shots, it would be a completely different story. Tyson had shown he could persistently throw power punches, combinations, move around the ring for the whole 12 rounds without gassing.
     
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    So your saying the big guys will just tie him down for the whole 12 rounds of the fight?

    Will the referee not break them up and put them in mid range distance? Are the big guys going to win against Tyson by just tieing him down for the whole 12 rounds and not doing anything else?
     
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  12. dan4579

    dan4579 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It really was cool. I'm no "boxing insider" or anything like that. That was literally the only time in my like I had the chance to have casual conversation with a legit boxing celebrity. He was very approachable and because it was at a gaming casino in Wisconsin, of all places, not a lot of people knew who he was so for a few minutes it was just Manny and myself having a chat. Then some old drunk idiot staggered up and shouted "If your boy is so good, when's he gonna fight Tyson?!?". That seemed odd considering Lewis had just KO'd Tyson a couple of weeks previous. Emmanuel said "Well, I gotta get to bed", shook my hand and walked off. I was really mad at that drunken idiot, of course.
     
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  13. UFC2015

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    That Fight big style might have worked against a shot 36 year old, fat, old, cocaine snorting, grand father, fighting for money Tyson. But it is not going to work against the 1985-88 Tyson.

    The refree will not allow Lenny to hold Tyson for the full 12 rounds of the fight, he will break them apart and put them in mid range distance, Lewis will also need to throw his punches to impress the scorers, just holding is not going to win him the fight, Tyson from 1985-88 had the knowledge, confidence on how to get inside Big guys and end the show very quickly and trust me a guy who gets knocked out by Mccall, Rahman with one shot has justified question marks on whether he can deal with it.

    And in any case, the worst case scenario, if Lewis fights the flawless fight, he will still be UD'd just like Green, Smith, Tillis, Tucker and the Lenni nuthuggers can bask in the glory "Tyson failed to knock Lewis out, he struggled with him, Lenny can hold his head high".
     
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  14. dan4579

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    If Lennox got lucky, whose fault is that? Lennox was the #1 mandatory challenger the night Mike fought Holyfield in '96. I remember for sure there was a large step aside fee involved so Mike could take on the perceived lower risk, bigger pay day fight. I'd assume Lennox thought he could take the free money and get Mike next anyway but it obviously didn't pan out. Not until after Mike took a loss, another loss involving ear biting, a year long suspension, a Frans Botha tune up fight, then about a year in jail for a road rage incident.
    My point is, if you want to say Lennox was luck that's fine, but I feel Mike made Lennox' "luck" with all of his own F-ups...and Lennox did try getting Mike in the ring earlier
     
  15. UFC2015

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    Holyfield Tyson was the fight people wanted to see at the time. Tyson was chasing big money fights which Lewis was not really worth at that time. My point is that history correctly does not take Lewis's victory over Tyson seriously because it eventually happened at the wrong time.
     
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