Prime Mike Tyson vs Usyk

That is what I eat for breakfast but without the ice cream buddy, I also have a cup of hot coffee too, it starts by day right.

 

I have never ever seen a person claim quick tillis deserved the decision against Tyson. A lot of refs would have stopped that beating.

As to the subject of the thread, I think Tyson is a favorite but I also think of usyk makes it to the 2nd half of the fight he might be able to turn it around and stop Tyson. But he would need to muscle up and push Mike back. If he tries to box on his back-foot I think he gets knocked out

 

Hey Lads

I had left the building on this one but didn't want it to be misinterpreted that your replies were being ignored.

I think I've actually addressed most points already, as they pertain to the match up (see my ref. to Tyson vs Tillis) and in contextual reply to any other statements made, across several posts, including why I don't believe that Mike was so badly out of shape for Douglas.

Douglas systematically and incrementally pounded Tyson from the outset and it was most definitely sufficient to slow Mike down over the course of the fight - and Tyson was taking far more punishment than he had ever been accustomed to in any fight prior to. I don't see so many misses from Douglas as to be worthy of any note. Douglas was getting quite a nice % of flush shots through.

As to later in the fight, the commentary in fact suggested that Tyson did enough to win the 7th around - though I'm not sure what the official scorecards reflect. It was also said that Mike had increased his output during the early stages of round 8 and it seemed Mike had picked it up since he was clearly well behind - though toward the end of the round Buster took over and began pounding on Tyson - which led to the moment when Mike fired the uppercut - the quality and power of which does in fact require a good level of conditioning and some reasonable gas in the tank.

Mike was not gassed flat out by round 9. On the heels of the KD in round 8, Mike actually went after Buster throwing shots but, again, Buster fought back and turned it around - he staggered and sent Mike back - clearly taking even more energy from Mike's tank. There was a lull from both guys then Buster again let the hands go, clearly staggering Tyson with several more power shots - Tyson, though under serious fire still actually got a very nice uppercut through. Buster felt it and fell forward on to Mike but then began letting the hands go again with seriously powerful and hurtful punches.

Mike even opened round 10 with the first punch, a badly intended right hand which did connect but Buster kept firing back culminating in an ATG combo no less to finally put Mike out.

Anyway, that's how I saw that fight.

As to Holyfield, context: I believe the name just came up in another post and I actually said that IF Tyson the fighter was more realistically analyzed - ( = without undue preclusions, artificially prescribed limitations on scope of address and myriad excuses for prior losses/less than stellar performances), the prognostications for that bout wouldn't have also been so off the mark.

 

I'm a bit of coffee fiend, I need to cut back. Waffles sound good but I don't eat breakfast. Just a cup of Joe to kick start the brain.

 

Threads like this are a 100 % proof that most posters here know absolute Jack about Boxing but make excellent Pro Internet debaters.

Those "experts" always bring up the Holyfield fights..................Tyson fought LESS than 8 rounds in more than FIVE years including a close to four year Prison stint...........roughly 20 min in the Ring against cream puffs, two of them laid down in the first round after a few seconds....again in FIVE years.

Post prison was a clown show for Tyson, no ifs or buts........................but but Holyfield, yeah, that is the only Rack he can hang his hat on because he lost more than he won when he stepped up against ACTIVE Fighters who fought more than 8 rounds in five years......1-2 vs Bowe, 0-2 vs Lewis and 1-1 against glass cannon Moorer, 1-1-1 vs Heavy disgrace Ruiz

Ali was never in jail but never ever was the same after the forced exile................

More comedy.......Usyk could not stop a club fighter punch bag like Chisora or a glass chinned feeble minded Bodybuiler who got rolled by a tub of lard but he is gonna stop Tyson.....Tyson has never ever lost a fight where he was ahead by mid point so the thought that Usyk is gonna weather the storm and come on strong late are a fairy tale.

 

We're talking about the same prime Mike Tyson that blew out Larry Holmes and Michael Spinks. Usyk, for all his skills, isn't going to last the distance with Iron Mike. He will be hit with a Tyson bomb at some point.

 

What?

 

Ok maybe that was an exaggeration but it's more plausible than "a lot of people think Tillis won."

Tyson didn't put together enough at any one moment to get the stoppage but the shots he was landing were clearly a lot harder than Tillis. The cards were too close imo as a result of Tillis exceeding expectations.

 

I agree with you about Usyk, except he might be able to do it with much evasiveness & lateral movement, or mainly that. His odds of winning & when yes good call.

I wonder if you are somehow confusing his fight with Tillis with someone else.
It is not rare for folks to think Tillis won, although most call it for Tyson.
But I think you would have a great deal of trouble finding people who think "a lot of refs" would have stopped that fight.
If you make a thread about it with a poll-& add in "should" they have stopped the fight, for either guy...

I think you may get

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other people who agree with you.
Also ask if people thought it was a very or fairly close fight-maybe everyone will agree with one of those 2 choices.
To avoid trolls, make them list their username in the survey.

Some use Tyson's poor performance there-against a boxer who lost 3 of his last 4 fights-when prime or very close as evidence against him in theoretical match ups.
Quick did a bunch of things "wrong" like hooking with Tyson, getting into wild exchanges, & came out very well.
By the way, somebody said Tyson had the flu then-but when I asked could provide no evidence.

Here are many opinions on this fairly venerable website you must be familiar with.
Note ~ precisely 1/3 of folks thought Tillis deserved the win.
If anything iconic boxers get a bit of favoritism...

And look at the cumulative/averaged scorecards:the group did not give Tyson a single round after the 5th!
[url]https://eyeonthering.com/boxing/mike-tyson-vs-james-tillis[/url]

 

To be fair he didn't actually say what you quoted above. He actually said "It was close, some thought Tillis deserved the nod"

There has been posters claiming Tillis could have won it in here over the years, absolutely. The closeness has been harped on by many.

 

No it's not. Some (granted they were a minority) thought Tillis won. I've not seen one person calling for a stoppage.

Fair enough. I myself scored the fight for Tyson as well.

 

Most people forget that Tyson also scored a knock down vs Tillis.

Again , clear as day decision win for Tyson.

For example , Mercer clearly lost against Lewis, he had a few moments but as usual he faded late, clear Lewis decision win yet some fools claimed Mercer should have gotten it and Mercer never had Lewis in trouble or down.

 

Mercer vs Lewis was a close fight I scored it a draw when I watched it recently, Mercer outjabbed the bigger man and run Lewis very close.

But I do agree Tyson won clearly vs Tillis in a competitive fight, I'd find it to have Tillis the winner when Tyson scored a knockdown in a 10 round fight. And I certainly didn't see Tillis winning 6 rounds, at most I'd say 3-4 rounds and no more.