Prime Muhammad Ali vs Mike Weaver

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Weaver gave prime Holmes a lot of trouble although was ultimately defeated. Could Weaver perhaps trouble the Ali of 67 the way he troubled Larry Holmes?
     
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  2. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    No, I like Weaver and he could seriously punch plus he his power lasted the full 15 but prime Ali is a level above he should have little issue with Mike.
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    No, c'mon there's more to boxing than triangle theories

    And who knows, Holmes probably just had an off night
     
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  4. Fergy

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    It's hard to say how much trouble Weaver could give Ali ,he s not the most consistent guy . But he could rumble and hit .So at his best I'd say he gives Ali a few scary moment s and hss Angelo shouting at him to keep your hands up !!
    Ali stops him in 14 is my pick .
     
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  5. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali by late rounds stoppage while way ahead.

    Holmes didn't use much lateral movement against Weaver. Ali would do so.
     
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  6. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Weaver would be stumbling around within 7 rounds, and stopped in 9 at the latest.

    If Holmes hadn't been sick as a dog (listen to his voice after the fight) and moronically underestimated Mike he would have tko'd him by seven.
     
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  7. Tonto62

    Tonto62 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    No ,I don't think so Holmes didn't move like Ali.Late stoppage win for Ali.
     
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  8. RulesMakeItInteresting

    RulesMakeItInteresting Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Holmes at the time had started a dumb habit where he'd only really get up for the big fights (this was during his first year and a half as champ or so). You can see his foot work radically diminishing after the Norton fight as he found his own style.

    Imagine the all-the-way-up-for-Ali Holmes against Weaver and the story completely changes. Could Weaver have taken that kind of punishment early? I don't see it.
     
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  9. Arminius1

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    1967 Ali would make mince meat of Mike.
     
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  10. emallini

    emallini Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ali would tattoo his face
     
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  11. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Prime Ali probably could pick the rd . Weaver had a good left hook ( ask John Tate) and yes the punch that put Ali on his ass a few times was the left hook . But prime Ali (1965-1968) was miles above Weaver. The fight would be a beat down for any version of Mike Weaver.
     
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  12. JohnThomas1

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    Ali by stoppage around 8-12 while leading lopsidedly.
     
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  13. The Professor

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    I followed this era of HWs pretty closely, and I don't think that's the case. Weaver gets somewhat underrated. In my view he is the best of the Other HW titlists in the Holmes era. It's no accident he held the WBA belt the longest, or that he gave Holmes one his tougher fights.

    This said, Prime Ali toys with him and probably stops him late.
     
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  14. BCS8

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    Weaver was inconsistent. He could really hit but usually took some time to get going. I think he's become (at his best) underrated through the years. You'd have to favour Ali quite heavily but Weaver is one of the guys who has the tools for the upset.
     
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  15. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Ali by 5th round kayo. Too much for even the Weaver who fought Holmes.
     
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