Prime Muhammad Ali vs Prime Evander Holyfield

This, bar Ali being stronger, maybe if Vander didn’t juice but in the forms that are being used in the debate Evander is a lot stronger physically in my eyes.

 

I might be wrong but in recent years i seem to remember a guy hating all things Ali/Clay in here that always ends up banned. Again from memory i think he gets banned for racial type stuff. I might be a bit hazy on it but the odd newbie comes in looking awfully similar before invariably being banned.

 

Holyfiend in no way matches Ali for speed. Have you seen peak Ali fight? He doesn't match him for durability either truth be told but speed is an absolute no brainer.

 

Ali would dance on his head.

 

One of the worst fights to put Holyfield into. I give him very low chance of winning rounds, no matter if its young Ali or prime Holmes.

 

I would like him to list all the male members of his family, both living and deceased, who showed the courage and achieved 1% of what Ali did.

I imagine it will be a pretty short list.

As you say John, give the guy enough rope and the hatred will do the rest.

 

I think you're troll .. no other explanation for your calculated posts and the use of the name Clay .. likely someone previously booted or just an agenda driven member .. either way you're not to be taken seriously ..

 

Ok but Holyfield still had atg speed at heavyweight, just because Ali’s a little faster doesn’t mean he’ll win

 

Look, Evander was an exceptional fighter, period .. Picking Ali over him is no insult especially since I think most agree it would be very competitive at that .. the asterisk is the PED's .. can anyone imagine Ali, who likely never touched a weight in his life, on PED's brilliantly tailored to his natural gifts ? That man would dice anyone be it Lewis, Klitschko, anyone ..

 

Didn’t Ali’s doctor admit to giving him PED’s

 

I think he gave him painkillers for his hands at some point but I'm looking at growth enhancers, etc ..

 

I think his doctor admitted to giving him and a lot of other athletes PED’s. Either way I’m not bashing Ali, I’d imagine a lot of our favorite fighters took PED’s

 

I guess there really is no certainty ..

 

I don't think the PED's Holyfield was using were available in the 1960s. We can be sure the 1967 Ali was not on PEDs I would think on the basis of them not yet existing.

 

I agree, there was only other drugs back then, namely LSD in 1967, but Muhammad Ali did not know Timothy Leary.