Have you seen pictures of boxers like Bowe, Lewis, etc before they became well known professional boxers? They were not gangly and thin or weak. My brother has a class mate in the 12th grade whose 6'5 and at least 260 lbs. Guy hasn't lifted a single wieght in his life yet looks very bulky and as strong as an ox. Zion Williams is another example of a teenage behemoth. Kids are getting bigger on average around the world and PEDs have absolutely nothing to do with it. And Bowe would not be "oafish" in any era, he had phenomenal coordination, hand speed, and technique. Drugs are not going to give you good ring IQ, balance, or make a guy with slow hands a fast combination puncher. They are not going to give you a granite chin. That was a very ignorant statement. Well this is a silly statement because Willard, Carnera, and other large men were not huffing and puffing and could fight for 20+ rounds without PEDs. Spinks, an undefeated fighter, was "shopworn"? Holmes was pretty old himself. Holyfield was about a thousand years old and in a very similar condition to the best fighter Rocky faced. Coincidence? Klitschko tore his rotator cuff, but you already knew that so why even bring it up? Are you going to ignore how Spinks was demolished by Tyson, Toney lost every other major fight at HW, Byrd was splattered by Wladmir and Ike, etc? Did I say other styles were invincible? No, I am simply saying that a short slugger has more limitations at HW than other styles which is a fact. I'm glad you brought up legacy. Dempsey tore through the division and then quickly fizzled out. Rocky retired at 32. Frazier's career was downhill after beating Ali and he went 1-4 against his best opponents and retired early. Tyson, like Dempsey, did excellent for a couple of years and then quickly began to burn out and lost to the best fighters available more and more frequently. In modern days, guys like Brewster and Andy Ruiz were flash in the pan champs who did not stick around for very long. There isn't a single short HW slugger who reigned for a very long time the way guys like Louis, Ali, Wladmir, Holmes, etc did. And a lot of it is due to the fact that guys with those dimensions with a very aggressive style have to work twice as hard to enjoy half the success. I will apply YOUR logic and ask why Dempsey and Rocky were the only major short sluggers to become champ at HW before the dawn of the modern era/dawn of so called PED abuse? There was nothing holding them back. What they would do today is irrelevant. I can simply look at film and see the vast majority of large heavies did not know how to fight tall, which means they either weren't listening to their trainers or their trainers didn't know how to do it either. Which means at some point you need to give credit to modern day trainers and fighters. PEDs cannot teach you how to be a more skilled fighter.