Prime Muhammad Ali was hittable

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  1. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Obviously everyone can be hit, it’s boxing, but what I mean is he had holes in his defence, he did misjudge the distance and get caught backing up.
    I’m not even just talking about the Henry Cooper fight, that’s why I said prime Ali. I was watching his Zora Folley fight and noticed that he got caught with several punches backing up with his hands down and Folley was very much past it, but stepped in and landed the right hand and combinations on several occasions
    This isn’t a knock on him, it’s a testament to his ring IQ because he still beat the guys he beat at the end of the day.
    I’m just point out these things, because the view often is that for example, when talking about a matchup, someone may say something like ‘Holyfield wouldn’t get near him’ etc, I’d pick Ali there, but I’m just stating that he could be tagged when opponents took advantage of his backing up with the hands down.
     
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  2. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    You didn't actually think he'd go through fights literally untouched did you?
     
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  3. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Sure, he wasn't quite as unhittable as Jones and PBF at their peaks. Not quite, I think. Mildenberger also landed some good body shots. I do think Ali rolled well with Folley's rights, though, so not much damage was done. But it is surprising that Folley at that age was as tricky as he was. A greener Terrell than the one Ali totally dominated had beaten a fairly prime Folley, but still old Folley gave a better account of himself than what looked like absolute peak Terrell.

    That's boxing, though. Stuff like that happens. Del Valle won some rounds against Jones and even floored him at a time when better fighters couldn't get a touch in. Floyd destroyed Corralles, but struggled with Castillo. Things aren't always logical.
     
  4. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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  5. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Getting hit when backing up was certainly an issue against Jones, but against Folley he seemed to me to roll with them well enough to limit any real damage. They got a roar from the crowd every time, though, and cost him points, but not much more than that imo.
     
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  6. ikrasevic

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    Given the frequency of quality competition (Liston x 2, Patterson, Moore, Chuvalo. Terrell, Williams...); pre-exile Ali is not hittable.
     
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  7. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sure Ali was hittable. Especially when he was clowning . (Just ask H.Cooper 1st fight)
    But, when serious and in the prime of his career, he slipped and rode punches
    better than any heavyweight in history.
     
  8. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Folley came away from that fight believing Ali could handily defeat Joe Louis.
     
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  9. Bokaj

    Bokaj Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Good point. He famously cleaned out the whole top 10 bar Machen, including two HWs most would have in their top 20, I think. Don't think anyone else can claim to be hit so little during such a run.
     
  10. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Same, but he couldn’t afford to be clipped like that, Folley landed some decent punches. Ali could stay away, but he was susceptible to switching off at times when pulling back thinking he’s out of range.
     
  11. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Moore was 50 years old
     
  12. PolishAssasin

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    In "Ali: By the numbers" Compubox has Ali not being great statistically and has him getting hit alot more often then remembered. But didn’t Ali absorb most of the punches he took by leaning back? I think he rarely took punches while being flat-footed before his exile.
     
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  13. FThabxinfan

    FThabxinfan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yeah,he leaned with the punch's direction.
     
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  14. Journeyman92

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    All of those guys were either shot, old, small not that good or a combination of multiple of those.
     
  15. Melankomas

    Melankomas Prime Jeffries would demolish a grizzly in 2 Full Member

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    I remember someone quoting compubox saying that Marciano was harder to hit than even a prime Ali based on compubox sources.

    This could reflect how overrated Ali’s defense is and how underrated Rocky’s is, but it could also reflect how unreliable compubox could be.