Prime Muhammad Ali was hittable

You''re wasting your time. Instead of responding to your well thought out and excellent post, he's gonna tag in someone far more knowledgeable than him to fight his battles under the pretense of "@(Inset poster here) Would ya take a look at this crap?"

 

So if getting hit at least sometimes is inevitable, and if boxing is the art of hitting and not getting hit, hittability could be determined by how much a fighter got hit compared to how much they hit, punches taken vs punches landed

The problem is fighters having varying durability and levels of competition, there's a decent chance for example that Louis would not have survived the same beating from Lyle that Foreman did, Marciano might have been cut so bad the fight was stopped early, and Foreman likely would have survived Schmeling, so fighters would have different hittability against the same competition, let alone comparing different competition in some hypothetical/fantasy manner in ranking their skill, in other words saying something like Marciano and Frazier are comparable levels of competition is actually just nonsense because for some fighters someone like Holyfield may be more comparable in difficulty as far as their ability to land and avoid punches

The sweet science, not anything close to an exact science

 

This thread reminds me of the dumbasses who claim that Ali never threw a body punch during his career, lol.

 

You mean by 1976 when he had been boxing for 22 years?

 

Ali would sometimes fight at the level of his opponent to please the crowd for a few rounds. He openly admitted on a talk show that he struggled to find the motivation to work hard in training camp if knew his opponent didn't have the tools or skills to bother him.

 

Ali never got hit, but if he did, it was on purpose.

 

RockyJim is another chronically dishonest poster who goes out of his way to disparage any fighter aside from his favorites. If you make a valid point, there's a 99.99% chance he'll avoid it.

I'd love to hear him say which of the "finer points of boxing" Rocky mastered.

 

Literally no one said this or remotely alluded to this.

One would think disingenuous comments such as these would be beneath someone of your intellect and boxing knowledge.

 

Humor relies on exaggeration.

It still amazes me how angry people can get arguing about the abilities of athletes from 50 years ago.

 

Mate it’s clearly a joke its also not that serious EVEN if he was genuine.

 

Ali got dropped by Cooper hard, you don’t let that happen to yourself… he wasn’t “goofing around” from what I could tell? Ali was winging hard right hands as early as the first two rounds, he got caught hard and countered multiple times he played it out like he did every fight. I have no idea where your perception of events is coming from? Because Ali said so? It’s on film man - if you’ve ever been in the ring before being hit that hard isn’t something you stick around for right? He was getting hit hard right from the start- I bring the Bonavena fight up because Bonavena hit him a lot per the thread, I have never said Ali ain’t a great, he’s tough but hittable it’s not a knock but it happened - you won’t believe me, maybe you’ll choose not to but Ali was sparring in exile, he had his first encounter with Norton towards the end of it, his legs went that’s all that happened he was too dependent on them and it cost him dearly all throughout the 70s… you may not know this, I’m not being a jerk I’m trying to help you understand, it’s not the rounds you fight to be ready, you don’t get “in shape” fighting, that happens in the gym, rust comes off in hard sparring he weighed 212lbs and was in excellent condition and fresh from the Quarry fight which means he was in close vicinity of a recent hard training camp - inexperienced fighters need fights to develop, Ali wasn’t inexperienced, he already developed his skill set under pressure he was as good as any time in the 70s… it wouldn’t have been any different per your speculation, with exception to Muhammad learning for the rematch. If I still had a pair of eyes in the 60s I’d think I’d take a gamble on Ali… I can see Liston ain’t that good just let it go.

 

Mind showing me these "lots of "experts" " who think he was literally untouchable in his prime?

 

The finer points of inside fighting, distance management, weaving and cutting off the ring? Those are a few “finer points” he had down, he was pretty crafty really just ugly.

 

Look at any H2H thread of Ali vs anyone most of the replies will be people saying he was untouchable or too fast in his prime even though he was hit plenty of times at this thread has shown

 

Show me posts from any semi-respected member here, that say Ali is literally untouchable which is the claim that rockyjim made. It is absolutely not true that most of the replies say that. It's also not true that he was hit "plenty of times". The percentage of shots landed vs shots thrown against Ali in that time period is absurdly low.