Prime Naseem Hamed Vs Morales, MAB and JMM

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  1. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Pat Cowdell UD12 Naseem Hamed
     
  2. 1_man_army

    1_man_army The Knockout King Full Member

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    All three beat Hamed.

    Barrera - Actually beat him (although Hamed gets the laughable past prime excuse here)

    Morales - Was able to outbox Pacquiao in their first fight, would do the same to Hamed

    Marquez - Would counter Hamed all night long. Might get put down at some point in the fight but would be able to get through it. Again, his fights with Pacquiao would be a decent barometer here.
     
  3. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    Espadas, Zaragoza, Mckiney, Jones, ectect, None of them dudes fight ANYTHING like Hamed. Fact is, Hamed has always been a flawed fighter, even in his "prime" and guys like Barrera, Morales and Marquez would always be able to exploit his mistakes

    . JMM actually does good against southpaws you dip****, just ask the guy who is considered by some as one of the best if not THE best southpaw ever. That and all his loses to southpaws, were controversial, and could of gone either way, plus none of those fighters fight nothing like Hamed, so your argument is flawed.

    Hamed won 3 rounds at best against Barrera, and hit him with hard shots and still didnt knock him out, like many people predicted. Mckinny and Jones didnt fight the Barrera of 2001, who was better than the versions of Marco they fought. And Hamed chose to fight Barrera because he, like everyone else, thought Barrera was on the slide.

    As for JMM, he was Hamed's mando for like 2 years, and hamed would shamelessly duck him, even Steward comfirmed this, and gave him a lowball offer with a very few weeks noticed, to make it seem like he wasnt ducking him, when in fact he had for the last 2 years. If JMM was able to time someone as fast and relentless and quite frankly flat out better than Hamed, in Manny Pacquiao, then i dont see why he couldnt time someone like Hamed.

    The HBO team and almost everyone was sure that Hamed was gonna KO Barrera, but Barrera also made them eat their words when he schooled the hell out of Hamed, so The HBO team thinking Hamed would beat Morales really doesnt mean ****.

    Morales with his vast height and reach advantages, his excellent boxing skills he used when needed, plus his iron chin would beat the **** out of Hamed anytime.

    Got anything else to add? Please do so, so i can take your ass to school again, fanboy.
     
  4. hent

    hent Member Full Member

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    Hamed beat 6 current or future featherweight champions. Beat Kelly who was a top featherweight at the time. Then has wins over Mucullough(top 122lber) and Bugnu(the best 122lber). None of those guys were less than stellar.

    Hamed lost 8 rounds to 4 . Having not trained/sparred properly. Was a good 4 years past his best.
     
  5. hent

    hent Member Full Member

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    Hamed's style depended on reflexes, power and athleticism. Ali was a flawed fighter as well but alot of this was made up with his reflexes, speed ect. Hamed was a counterpuncher who used a jab in his prime and would KO guys when he saw an opening. When he split with Ingle his style totally changed and he began to only look for the KO. Suarez and Steward did not get on with each other and had little experiance in dealing with southpaws. MAB beat a faded Hamed(8 rounds to 4). Junior jones and Mckinney had seen better days when they beat/troubled MAB.

    Zaragoza is a southpaw with bombs that come at different angles that were able to hurt Morales. Hameds got similar type of punches. Mckinney and Jones have decent jabs, that are inferior to Naz's. If these guys can outbox MAB, Hamed will do it with ease.

    JMM had plenty of time to train. The excuse given was that Nacho wasnt prepared to negotiate. Hamed could fight whoever he damn wanted, he didnt need to offer him a fight to appear credible. JMM up to that point hadnt beat anyone of note. Pacquiao doesnt have the boxing skills of Naz nor does he have power. The fact he was able to drop JMM so many times tells me Naz would KO him.

    Morales rarely used his boxing skills and didnt use them that well at all. Morales has a good chin but in no way is it iron. I have seen him tagged/hurt in multiple fights. Morales lack of defence will be his undoing. You say Hamed was prime for MAB do you accept Morales was prime for raheem then? How was Espadas able to hurt Morales and outbox him ?
     
  6. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    You are comparing Hamed to Ali now?? :lol: Okay

    Like i said, Barrera was a more complete fighter by the time he faught Hamed, at the time he fought Mckinney and Jones, he was still mostyly a brawler. And no, Hamed won 3 rounds at best against Barrera, and the rounds he won werent all that dominant as like some of the ones Barrera won. Prime for prime, Barrera technique would still be too much for Hamed, and he wont be foolishly be coming foward like most of Hamed's opponents, Barrera would beat his with his superious jab, combination punching and overall better boxing skills. Morales was clearly more passed against Raheem, then Hamed vs Barrera..Hamed was not involved in the wars Morales was involved in, in particular wars like the 1st and 3rd Barrera fight, and the 1st Pacquiao fight.

    Like i said, JMM was Hamed's mando for 2 years, yet he ducked him all that time. Oh and Pacquiao as relentless as he was, was still the better fighter Hamed ever was. He may not of had his power, but still packed a hard punch, plus blinding speed, crazy workrate and endless stamina..That same Pacquiao destroyed the same guy who made your hero his ***** :deal

    You seem to bring up the Espadas fight alot, again Espada and Hamed fight nothing alike, and what the **** happened in the Espadas-Morales rematch? Morales, especially at 126lbs and 130lbs used his boxing skills more than he did when he was at 122lbs (which was when the Zaragoza fight took place), and his skills, added with his height and reach advantages, would cause all sorts of hell to Hamed, period.

    Sorry, but simply put: Barrera, Marquez, and Morales are ALL simply levels ahead of Hamed. :hi:
     
  7. hent

    hent Member Full Member

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    Hamed was over the hill when he fought MAB. I have explained the reasons why before in this thread. A prime Hamed who actually used his boxing skills would pick MAB apart before KOing him.

    JMM hadnt beaten anyone of note. Hamed offered him a fight a carrear high payday and he turned it down. Pacquiao's power is nothing like Hameds power. Pacquiao also is alot easier to time than Naz who was mch more unorthodox. JMM is brilliant against guys he can time, a prime Naz like John and Norwood he would not be able to time.

    Morales lost to espadas clearly. The rematch took place at a higher weight when Espadas was faded. Morales has reach advantages but he didnt utilize it to the full extent. Ayala and Chi were able to get inside and land their shots. He will not be able to keep Hamed on the outside and he has the tendancy to trade.
     
  8. Zopilote

    Zopilote Dinamita Full Member

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    A "prime" Hamed was NOT a better boxer than a 126lbs Barrera, period. Barrera would be too technically sound, and disciplined for Hamed, and would make him fight his fight, and would outbox him just like he did in '01. Barrera was simply the boxer, and fighter. Same goes for Marquez and Morales. You say Marquez hasnt beaten anyone of note, yet he was still clearly better than all of the other B-C level fighters Hamed was KOing. JMM, like Barrera, is a far superior boxer than Hamed ever was, and tho i could see him get KD in the early rounds, JMM would adjust and begin to pick him apart with his superior counterpunching, and combinations. Kevin Kelly was giving a "prime" Hamed hell before getting KO'd , Morales, Barrera, and Marquez are ALL much superior boxers than Kelly. Sorry, Hamed loses to all 3.
     
  9. jdempsey85

    jdempsey85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Prime Naseem Hamed can never beat a prime erik morales.Totally outboxed for 12 rounds.Naz was lucky MAB came to BOX when he beat him EASILY.I was hoping MAB was going to tear him apart that night.JJM POINTS.

    At one stage i think Johnny Tapia was going to fight naz
     
  10. SportsLeader

    SportsLeader Chilling Full Member

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    The TS either knows nothing about boxing at all, or it taking the ****.

    Awful post nonetheless, I didn't read it past a few lines, made my eyes hurt.
     
  11. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Funny how NONE of those you mentioned are in MAB's league.Hamed was ALWAYS a lazy trainer.ALWAYS!!When he was on the go,he was known for that.I love it when his supporters use that excuse(and they do quite frequently).So what he beat 6 current or future featherweight champions?All that proves is that there were(are) many alphabet organizations and gatekeepers.And even though I always liked Kevin Kelly,he was stopped just 2 1/2 years before fighting Hamed by someone so memorable that I can't remember his name,and he still gave hamed all he could handle anyway.McCullough's was a fighter I've always admired,but his best weight was 118.And I'm glad you mentioned Bungu because in 2 of the 3 fights(at 122)before fighter Hamed,he won one by MD and another by SD,although I only remember one of his opponnents in those 2 in Danny Romero.And if you've seen the fight,you would know that the score of 8-4 was quite generous for the overrated one as MAB exposed him badly that night.
     
  12. kmac

    kmac On permanent vacation Full Member

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    at 35-0 hamed was past his prime? :) i'm watching this fight right now. barrera just whipped him. morales and marquez would beat him as well. i loved the prince when he was around. even though he was mostly hated, he was good for boxing. the brits are passionate fans which boxing needs more of but they have some of the worst excuses when their fighters lose.
     
  13. hent

    hent Member Full Member

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    Barrera might be better technically but Hameds has a massive edge athletically making him the better overall fighter.

    JMM hadnt beaten anyone to prove he was as good as the people Hamed was KOing. In the 90s he didnt fight anyone of note apart from a loss to Norwood. JMM was never able to adjust Vs Norwood or John.

    Kelly kelly lasted 4 rounds. Not really a big deal, if anything it shows Hameds KO power.
     
  14. hent

    hent Member Full Member

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    MAB class consists of getting KOed by Jones and then outboxed in the rematch. Ive seen the MAB Hamed fight and there are 4 rounds that Hamed won. That fight means nothing in terms of how a prime Hamed would do though. MAB vs Khan has as much relevance.

    I could easily discredit anyones resumes in the way you have Hameds. The facts are that hes got the best resume at featherweight for the last 20 years.
     
  15. BlackBrenny

    BlackBrenny Guest

    Hameds best chance at his absolute peak best is against Morales, the others.....well...