Prime Naseem Hamed Vs Morales, MAB and JMM

Hamed won 4 rounds?You sure you want to write that?What has little relevance is that Jones beat MAB twice at 122,especially considering his ATG performances years after Jones against larger,superior fighters to Jones.What is more relevant is that Jones couldn't get the stoppage against him the 2nd time.Now let's look at Hamed's "best featherweight resume of the last 20 years".Wins over Cesar Soto,Augie Sanchez,Wilfredo Vazquez,Ingle,Wayne McCullough,Steve Robinson,Medina,Vivian Bungu,Kevin Kelly,Tom Johnson-is there anyone that I've missed that gives Hamed the "best featherweight resume of the last 20 years"?I've no idea how you can even attempt to write that as fact.The funny part is that none of those fighters is mentioned in the same breath as MAB,EM,JMM or Pac.I must have missed someone or something,because Hamed's is most certainly NOT the best featherweight resume of the past 20 years.But feel free to believe that it is.If you had written that Naseem Hamed has the greatest list of excuses bestowed on him by his fanbase for his embarrassment at the hands of MAB,that would be much better.Now THAT'S a fact.

 

The absolute truth is that Hamed's fans will always make excuses for that loss.Hamed was 1...past it,2...wasn't training,3...stopped fighting in his old style,4...had left his trainer Ingle,5...his Muslim brothers were influencing him too much,etc,etc.Take a pick.Utilize one,two or more.We've all heard them before.Here's one simple fact.THE FIRST ****ING TIME NASEEM HAMED FOUGHT AN ELITE-EASILY THE BEST FIGHTER HE HAD EVER FOUGHT,HE WAS EMBARRASSINGLY AND SOUNDLY BEATEN.That is an irrefutable fact.Even Hamed's most ardent supporters can't deny it.And here's another fact.AFTER FIGHTING MAB AT THE SAME AGE AS MAB-27,AND INSTEAD OF DEMANDING A REMATCH,HE FOUGHT ONCE MORE AT 28 AGAINST CALVO AND RETIRED.Another irrefutable fact.Just saying facts.

 

First off,you never addressed the facts that I wrote down.And actually MAB's corner stopped the fight.He wasn't ko'd.So no,it's not a fact.Since Jones was faded when he and MAB fought and Jones won twice,does that make (past prime as you and his other excuse makers claim)Hamed look even worse as Barrera embarrassed HIM?You just painted yourself into a corner.I believe the Barrera the fought Hamed was a far better fighter than the one that fought Jones as MAB beat bigger and better fighters than Jones.As far as 126 resumes are concerned,MAB's is SUPERIOR to Hamed's.My previous posts indicated all of Hamed's top victories at 126 and Hamed spent approximately half of his 35+ fights at featherweight.MAB,who probably fought about 12 times between 122-126 beat EM,Johnny Tapia,Paulie Ayala and Hamed himself,who were CLEARLY better featherweights than ANYONE Hamed fought,except MAB of course.EM,who fought only about 1/2 dozen times between 122-126(as he made his mark at 122 and 130)beat Paulie Ayala at 126,so 'nuff said.And if you want to believe that Morales wasn't "all that",go right ahead.Pac,who only had a few fights between 122-126,beat Hamed conqueror Barrera and drew with JMM at 126,which is CLEARLY better to anything Hamed did at 126.Jeez,I almost forgot to mention JMM's draw with Pac.So these men may have not had the number of fights at 126 that Hamed did,but at least they beat,or drew with,the better opposition,Barrera's 126 resume obviously superior.And by the way,whenever those fellows fought anyone on Hamed's resume,they always beat Hamed's list of pretty good,but nothing special,featherweight group of victims.And just one question for you-who on Hamed's resume is better than any of the 3 Mexicans or Pac?You'd be hard pressed to answer that one.

 

As Mr Burns would say if he read this post, 'Excellent':good

 

Tapia was shot to pieces when MAB beat him and Ayala was a fairly ordinary Featherweight, no better than a Manuel Medina really.

imo a large chunk of what Marco gained from the hamed win as far as his 126 credentials goes, was undone by his cowardly go through the motions performance against Pac.

The minute he realised the fight wasn't going to be a gimme and he was starting to take frequent hard punches, he didn't want to know, even seeming to look for a way out at one point.Really it was every bit as bad a performance as Hamed's gloriously enjoyable schooling at Marco's hands.

And some people rate this guy over Saldivar:nono

Not that i favour Hamed over any of them at any stage in his career, mind you.

 

Hamed's is 1 of the most underrated boxers around based on 1 loss. Barrera boxed a very smart disciplined fight to beat Hamed boxing off the back foot and not mixing it up too much. He used a perfect gameplan, that doesn't mean Morales, Marquez and Pacquaio can implement the same gameplan, all likely give Hamed an easier time connecting his punches

If MAB fought the same way he did against Junior Jones and Mkkinney, he most likely gets knocked out, but he didn't give Hamed countering opportunities and made him pay for his low hands and flatfootedneed. The younger Hamed wasn't so flatfooted and was consequently harder to hit.

 

There comes a point in many fighters careers where they lose the mentality to goto war, Barrera's came after the first Morales fight, that was a war, so were the Jones and Mkkinney fights. He metamorphasised from a pressuring Chavez replica into a back foot boxer. Still I don't think you can put it all down to heart, Barrera just couldn't get his shots off against the faster Pacquaio, didn't really have the angles and he didn't have a good enough right hand to time down the middle. Pacquaio beats Saldivar too though and more ephatically imo

 

I know heart and will to go to war are not a constant throughout a fighters career and that generally he had plenty, but MAB was maybe only marginally past his best.He had got used to coasting for a couple of years against washed up fighters and it showed.

It has to count against him imo, even though i more or less agree with you.


btw fair enough if you don'r rate Saldivar, but he would need to set the bar awfully low to get beat more emphatically than that.

 

Touche

 

This thread has become a joke. Hamed emphatically NOT great. He was good and had a lot of power. This crap about him being past his prime at 27 is stupid. Who cares what made him less than he once was. Even if it's true that he abandoned what got him to the top, the greats don't do what he did, making him not one of them.

Personally, I think he was simply exposed once he finally stepped up to the elite level. And I find any argument about what he "could have" done if he'd kept fighting, very suspicious, based solely on the fact that he didn't keep fighting, but quit.
That tells me something about where Hamed himself felt about where he stood with the elite of his weight class.

All three Mexican greats of his era beat Hamed with ease, and he knew it.

 

There seems to be a thread on here every other day about Hamed facing these guys.

Can we not all accept he was found out by Barrera, and would've suffered the same fate vs any great fighter in that weight class, and move on permanently?

The guy was a micro-managed cherrypicking circus act. Take away his power and he had less technical skills than a ******ed spider-******. His defence and fundamentals were shite, he only got away with it so long because he was fighting either ancient or garbage fighters.

 

This is a very poor post.I'm disappointed in its quality.Both Ayala and Tapia were better than ANYONE Hamed EVER beat.Didn't Tapia stop Cesar Soto-the fellow that went the distance with Hamed-in like the 3rd or 4th round,or is my memory that bad?And didn't both MAB and EM stop Kevin Kelly also,a fighter that the Hamed excuse makers brag about about even though he'd been stopped 2 1/2 years by someone whose name I don't even remember and had 2 draws subsequent to that fight before fighting Hamed?And if you want to believe that Hamed has a better resume than MAB,be my guest!As far as JMM is concerned,Pac is LIGHT YEARS BETTER than anyone Hamed ever beat,and we all know you know that,unless you want to publicly make a fool of yourself.But then again,I don't know you.And you mentioned Medina as opposition to JMM,but he's also one of the fellows that the Hamed supporters love to brag about.Once again,the 3 Mexicans fought each other and Manny Pac.That alone blows apart ANY of the competition that Hamed beat.I'll tell you what.I'd be far more impressed with Hamed had he just DRAWN with ANY of the 3 Mexicans and Pac instead of fighting the group of decent,but nothing special alphabet beltholding gatekeeping featherweights that he did fight.There my not be as much QUANTITY that Hamed had at 126,but there is obviously far more QUALITY than Hamed EVER had.And I have to ask you this one more time because you simply refuse to answer.Just WHO on Hamed's list of victims is anywhere near as good as the 3 Mexicans or Manny Pac?

 

I like your post Popkins.But I'm a person that feels the need to respond to what I like to call on the General,"The Monthly Hamed Thread,"because it is just that.When Hamed's defenders get on these boards and brag about "how great Hamed was,"even though there is no evidence to that,I just have to respond.