Prime Oscar De la hoya vs 2007 Floyd Mayweather 147

Great Post :good

 

Come on Pimp even you must admit that a Prime version of Dela Hoya would be to much for Floyd at 147.

Especially when Floyd made Judah look like a Boxing God for the first 4 rounds at 147.

But that was the question and if we go off the style of Dela Hoya the same style that a Old Dela Hoya gave enough Trouble for Floyd for the fight to be close.

What would the Prime Oscar be like. for a 147 Floyd.

Because the Prime Dela Hoya I remember had fast hands a massive Left Hook and Combinations like you wouldnt believe.

Floyd has defense Yes but he is showing sins now.

Im sticking with the style makes fights and well Dela Hoya has that style especially in his Prime and more so than Mosley.

I believe Kostya Tszyu had the right style aswell but thats another debate.

The style to beat Floyd needs to one with deceptive Hand Speed, Be the Aggressor, Be able to Cut off the Ring, Have real type Punching Power that effects his decisions, Have a great Amateur background, Combinations, And a will to finish guys off.

They need to be stalkers with Power thats the style.

Its the same style Castillo had in his Prime its the Dela Hoya style. And Tszyu had it as well.

Thats why Marquez looked so bad he is Counterpuncher and he has always been awesome when people come to him.

But in every fight were we seen Floyd in Trouble it was because of those things.

Julio C Chavez had that Style as did Roberto Duran.

These are all the fighters I believe from hours of footage Floyd has and would have trouble with.

 

And if another Floyd fan comes in here and tells me anything about Castillo 1 and they think Floyd won.

Well Floyd in that fight was Outlanded by Castillo 3-1 across the board.

He may have adjusted in the second fight but even that was a close fight and the ratio was even.

 

Max Kellerman sums up my opinion on this one. I can't say it better than he did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJlGRyYeILo&feature=youtu.be

You and I see this one differently also. Cotto hit more air, arms and shoulders than anything else. It essentially was the same fight as De La Hoya. In Cotto's Dominant round 8, which he clearly won, he landed a total of 6 punches. Compubox has him landing 105 punches total -- that's not a difficult 12 rounds for any fighter.

As I said in a previous post, the major difference in the Castillo, Cotto and De La Hoya fights is that those guys walked through Mayweather's counters. The other 40 fighters were hurt by, and could not walk through Mayweather's counters. A common factor in these three fights is that the opponents significantly out-weighed Mayweather -- Castillo by nearly 10lbs on fight night. Hmmmmmm . . .

Also consistent in each fight was Mayweather outlanding each fighter with cleaner more effective punches and exceeding each fighter at defense. Floyd couldn't hurt them so he outpointed them.

Here I can agree with you. Oscar at his prime by far would be the best fighter Mayweather ever faced or ever could face outside of a fantasy match-up.

Compubox didn't even have it 3 to 1 -- they had it 203 to 157, closer to 4 to 3. That being said compubox was dead wrong. They showed Castillo landing 16 punches in round 5 and 24 in round 6. He barely throws that many and lands less than half of that. Watch either one of those rounds and tell me where you see 16 or 24 punches landed on Floyd.

Floyd won each of those fights clearly. The problem is when you are used to Mayweather dominating like he did against Corrales, Ndou, Gatti, Marquez, Ortiz and Mosely, etc... -- it looks a lot different when a fighter is busy against him. But that's all it was, they were busy.

 

I'd take oscar. In his prime he was something special...

 

For someone who lost so many of his biggest fights, Oscar is getting a lot of love in this thread. No doubt, he was a great fighter in his prime and faced every top level guy he could, that is something to be admired.

BUT...Floyd is being seriously underestimated on here. I don't get it. If Quartey took prime Hoya to the limit, I have no doubt about Floyd emerging victorious in this fantasy matchup.

 

No I don't. A prime Oscar was also a one handed fighter with **** stamina with an average ring IQ. There's no way in hell a one-handed fighter like Oscar is going to outbox him for 12 rounds. PBF would take Oscar's left hook away and keep the fight in the middle of the ring where he could uses his superior boxing skill footwork and higher ring IQ to out box Oscar.

What people like you fail to understand is that Zab and Oscar fight nothing alike. Zab is more of a natural counter-puncher who had the ability to beat PBF to the punch. Oscar is neither. Zab actually had the styles advantage in that fight but PBF figured him out and gave him a beating. Actually PBF's win over Zab was one of his most impressive performances and is quite underrated. Zab didn't look like a boxing God. What did look like was a guy with a handspeed advantage with a nice jab who picked his shots and looked to counter. PBF and Zab split the first 4 rounds and Zab won the 12th. Zab won no more than 3 rounds in that fight it wasn't close. PBF spliting the first 4 rounds with Zab doesn't help you case as to saying Oscar would give him problems.

I disagree with you on Oscar and won't even go there with Zoo which I think would be a blowout win for PBF. In order to beat PBF you need fast hands with the ability to apply educated pressure behind a jab be a two-handed fighter make adjustments be able to cut the ring go to the body with good power a good overhand right not headhunt all day have great stamina be able to counter and have good defense. Neither Zoo, Oscar or Mosley fit that mold. He beats any version of these fighters.

 

I agree and people completely overlook that and it shouldn't be overlooked. The guy wasn't a clutch performer and found numerous ways to lose a fight.

 

Whether people like it or not Oscar did things against Floyd (albeit past his own prime and Floyd at a higher weight) that makes me believe a younger prime version would of been able to take it to the cards but with the decision going his way this time. Oscar fights intelligent and he has all the tools needed to win, one of the few boxers I'd pick to be able to solve Mayweather.

 

The why did he run the last 4 rounds against Tito?:think

 

Oscar, EZ work.

 

Broner now would destroy both of these guys now.. hands down no arguement.. :lama

 

How does a prime DLH lose to Mosley, but beat Floyd? I don't understand that. Prime Oscar struggled to beat Whitaker, and I actually thought he didn't do enough to deserve that win. Quartey gave him all he could handle, got up from a flash knockdown in round six and dropped DLH who if you watch the tape was in la-la land! If Ike had jumped on him ,DLH would have got stopped and this thread doesn't exist.

Two types of fighters gave DLH problems. Defensive boxer/counter punchers (Whitaker) and guys who could take Oscars shots and give them back. (Mosley/Quartey) For a bonus, Shane was every bit as fast handed as DLH maybe even more. Oscar had huge power and speed advantages in all the fights he dominated. In the ones he lost or was close that wasn't the case. Floyd would be too sharp, to hard to hit cleanly and would be able to adapt to anything DLH did. I just can't see how a guy who lost the vast majority of his biggest fights beating a guy who only looked bad once and was not 100% in that fight. Floyd by UD all day everyday....

 

Lol sorry I did actually mean to put IF that was what I meant. He would need to fight intelligent to beat Mayweather, if he did then I think he could win.

Who knows regard the Tito fight, maybe if it's after that in hypothetical land then Oscar might of learned his lesson :think

 

True on all points especially on the defensive guys and guys who could stand up to him and answer back. Oscar is more liked here that's why he's wining this poll. Anyone can see that PBF is a stylistic hell for Oscar great defense great speed great footwork great ring IQ great counter-puncher great stamina. But all they can say is PBF struggled with a past prime Oscar so a prime of beats him easy.atsch Nevermind that PBF isn't a 154 pound fighter has never looked sharp there and fought Oscar there for his first fight at 154 and still beat him.