Prime Pavlik vs Middleweight greats?

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  1. Big Red

    Big Red Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your entitled to your opinion, but I am talking about Prime Pavlik. Pavlik was past his prime and by a fair bit vs Martinez.

    After the first fight with Taylor Pavlik started drinking a lot and not traing this is pretty well documented.
     
    Big Red, Feb 22, 2015
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  2. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Edison Miranda and Zertuche are NOT punchers I'd compare to Jackson or Tito.
     
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  3. Xplosive

    Xplosive Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Forget ALL TIME, let's just list some late 80's and 90s middles who would beat Pavlik:

    Jones, Toney, McCallum, Nunn, G-man, Reggie Johnson, Eubank, Collins, Kalambay, Watson, and Benn.
     
    Xplosive, Feb 22, 2015
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  4. N_ N___

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    The problem with your ****ysis is that you're discounting how physically strong Pavlik was. He wasn't just a stringbean with power. Consider how many fighters were forced to retreat against him. And this is in the day-before weigh in era so he probably wouldn't even compete at middle if it were 1970. Good chin, fundamentals and toughness too. S hit handspeed though, no arguing that.
     
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  5. Big Red

    Big Red Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Pavlik in rehab for alcohol issues

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    Big Red, Feb 22, 2015
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  6. N_ N___

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    It goes both ways: Jackson and Tito never beat middleweights with Pavlik's power.
     
    N_ N___, Feb 22, 2015
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  7. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Out of interest-do you consider Fullmer a genuine Middleweight? Someone on the British forum reckons he would be a Welterweight in today's game.
     
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  8. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Sure he was a genuine middle...he was a big, strong middleweight at that. Someone in the British forum has him confused with some body else.
     
    red cobra, Feb 22, 2015
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  9. ribtickler68

    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Unless he is on about the different weigh- ins used then? Still couldn't be ****d to argue because I thought it was *******s!
     
    ribtickler68, Feb 22, 2015
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  10. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    He may have been confusing Fullmer with Carmine Basilio...a contemporary of Fullmer's who also won and lost the middleweight title to SRR.
     
    red cobra, Feb 22, 2015
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  11. Xplosive

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    In the alternate universe you reside in, I'm guessing a man named Sergio Martinez never existed....

    This is the most comical post I've ever seen on the classic forum.
     
    Xplosive, Aug 27, 2015
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  12. 2piece

    2piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think any middleweight with good movement beats him and makes him look like he's standing in quicksand.
     
    2piece, Aug 27, 2015
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  13. Xplosive

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    Pavlik a great chance against Monzon? LMFAAAAOOOOOOOOO!!!

    Holy E God, the **** you read on ESB on a daily basis.
     
    Xplosive, Aug 28, 2015
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  14. slender4

    slender4 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Pavlik was a tall guy and a murderous puncher with heart, but he really didn't have much else. He was a slow twitch guy, and didn't have much of an amateur career, he made the most out of his talent.
     
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  15. Clinton

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    Agreed. Jermaine Taylor almost stopped him, and Sergio Martinez convincingly beat him. I simply don't get it.
     
    Clinton, Aug 28, 2015
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