Prime Povetkin vs. Prime Luis Ortiz

How is that a question...
Povetkin in 6 rounds

 

Also Rahman (old), Hunter (draw) and Chambers.

So:

Chagaev
Byrd
Whyte
Chambers
Huck
Hunter***
Perez**
Hughie**
Rahman*
Takam*
Duhaupas*

Euro
World
Olympics

vs

Jennings
Martin


Legend:
*=Worse than Ortiz's best win
**=Arguably worse than Ortiz's best win
***=Draw

 

Because Wilder's resume is usually being compared to Fury's and Joshua's whereas Povetkin's is being compared to Ortiz's. Beating Charr and Helenius is impressive for an Ortiz opponent but not for a Joshua opponent. Ie, if Wilder wasn't a 10 defense champ, but instead a contender, his resume would be considered much like Povetkin's.

 

Makes sense.

 

Perhaps your thread should be 'Povetkin or Ortiz, who's resume is better?'

 

As Serge mentioned they also fought eachother in the amateurs, and Pov won exactly as he would in pros, with ease and hurting/dropping Ortiz.

 

It's probably Wilder best win after Ortiz and doesn't make Povetkins top 5 wins.

 

Gotta disagree

Ortiz
Ortiz
Stiverne
Stiverne
Does Malik Scott count? No punches actually made contact, but Malik did wobble around-Even the wind of Wilder's punches can KO a former contender

 

Povernov, not Povetkin. Though Povetkin would have spanked Ortiz just the same.

 

Yeah I realized that when I actually looked at the video, I should have commented and corrected.

 

Go make your 500th email you green pant wearing alt.

 

I keep seeing these threads mentioning "Prime Ortiz". When exactly was his prime? Ortiz now isn't all that different than Ortiz coming up, he really isn't. I really believe this guy doesn't have a nascent to prime phase, he started and was already prime, now he's just old.

I think Povetkin would have a good chance of stopping him

 

There was a prime Ortiz?

 

Ortiz had 362 amateur bouts and became a pro just before he turned 31. He was 3-0 when he KO'd the tough journeyman Zack Page (who was on a 44 fight streak where no one stopped him, including a slew of contenders and champions) but did not receive a step up fight for another 5 years and 21 fights, due to terrible promotion. When Ortiz was finally in contention he lacked powerful backers and was heavily avoided, as no one wants to fight a highly skilled and experienced undefeated southpaw power puncher.

So Povetkin had far more opportunities to pick up wins against name opponents, hence the depth of "resume" discrepancy. But if we look at arguably their top individual wins, who does it favour?

Povetkin KO10 Takam

Ortiz KO7 Jennings

Povetkin-Takam was a back and forth war where both men were approximately even on the scorecards at the time of the stoppage. Takam's best win was a 9-3 over a mid-40's Tony Thompson, although he had an unfortunate draw with Perez in a close fight. Takam had previously lost to Gregory Tony and he lost every round against his best opponent Joshua, was dropped in 4 and prematurely stopped in 10 rounds.

Ortiz-Jennings was back and forth for the first 4 rounds before Ortiz exerted control on the bout, winning the 5th and 6th before stopping Jennings in the 7th. Jennings' best win was a close win over a more experienced Perez than the one Takam fought. When Jennings fought Ortiz he was ranked as the 6th best in the world by Ring and was 19-1 coming off a 9-3 loss at home to the P4P No.2 and 17 consecutive defence lineal champion Wlad.

Jennings and Takam have another mutual opponent in Joyce, who had a highly competitive fight with Jennings over 12 but stopped Takam in 6.

Ortiz's best opponent was Wilder, who by most accounts Ortiz was outboxing in a close fight, was dropped in the 5th but hurt Wilder badly in the 7th before being stopped in the 10th. The fight was a war and Wilder was assisted by the intervention of a corrupt doctor for 20 seconds at the start of the 8th. This was also an Ortiz who was over 2 years removed from his career best performance, who had only completed one full round (against a bum) in the previous 15 months, so semi-active at best.

Povetkin's best opponent was Wlad, who was permitted to foul him to death and knocked him down 4 times officially, winning 120-105 or something similar. However, Povetkin had minimal success and didn't resort to dirty tactics of his own as he should have. Povetkin further demonstrated mental weakness by applauding Wlad and having no complaints post-fight.

Ortiz just went 50-50 with AJ-conqueror Andy Ruiz at 43.5 years old and lost a controversial decision, probably on account of his age (43 vs 32) nationality (Cuban vs Mexican-American) status (2x challenger vs ex-world champ) and PBC's boxing politics (Wilder has already fought Ortiz twice).

So all in all Ortiz was probably the more versatile and dangerous fighter and I think he would have beaten Povetkin, who was very undersized in the modern era and frequently struggled with fighters that SHW champs did or would dominate.