Prime Prince Naz vs Prime Juan Manuel Marquez

JMM KO6.....Marquez had very good power at FW, specially his left hook to the body, he'll be catching him with that and good counter punches for the 1st 5rounds then put him away in the 6th

but........i could see Hamed dropping Marquez maybe once in the 1st before Marquez gets his timing down, but soon as he does, it'll be a wrap

 

JMM by 12 rounds of schooling.

 

I cant' imagine a hungry, well-prepared Naz being schooled? He would put up a war like he always has. Naz threw punches from so many angles who caught and used the ring well. It would be a good fight while it lasts.

 

When was JMM's prime???

 

good question. :?

 

Prime Hamed definitely had the power to rock Marquez, and had the resolve to change tactics in a fight. Marquez would be very, very difficult for Hamed to bully around the ring and ridicule, but I feel that people are forgetting just how hard the man hit.

You say Marquez handled Pacman's power. He did handle it, but put it this way, if Naz had hit Marquez in the first round and dropped him three times, he not only would not have got up, he would've been stretchered out.

Marquez, awesome counter puncher, very well could've done a Barrera on PRIME Hamed. But I see Naz's unorthodox punching causing even Marquez havoc.

Marquez does really well for four or five rounds, frustrating Hamed with his sharp counter punching and ability to take the little Naz actually lands.

Marquez, as always easy to goad into a fight, becomes over confident and trades with Naz, walking right into a bomb. Marquez definitely has a good chin, but Hamed is probably the hardest hitter in FW history.

 

yeah because i dont think he is at his peak right now, there were arguments about his age and how he's style has changed. When MAB fought Naz, both were at their prime, Naz might not be as motivated (BS), but they were both on top at the time. But since JMM got his share of the limelight when he fought Pac, i havent really recalled him being in anyones top 10 P4P...this was the time when a fighter can be called at peak considering their ages...But since JMM was probably untested when MAB fought Naz, when can we safely say that JMM was in his prime??

 

Let's say the FW Marquez that fought Pacman the first time. Okay, going down three times in the 1st round might not be seen as Prime but the performance he put in throughout the next 11 rounds was nothing short of heroic.

And, to be honest, going down a couple of times is to be expected from fighting a Prime version of Naseem Hamed. I've picked Naz and iven an explanation but Marquez is brilliant; it's a definite 50-50 fight, for the simple fact that Marquez can be lured into a scrap and Hamed was so unpredictable, fast and heavy handed that he cannot be counted out against any FW in history, except from truly great chins such as Salvador Sanchez, Alexis Arguello (at FW would be able to knock out even Hamed, who did have a fantastic chin, never hurt even though he went down numerous times against World class punchers, how can it be?!?!?)

I often wonder what place in history Naz would have if he was a bit more unknown, more of a cult fave then what he was at the time, which lets not forget, was HUGE!

What I'm getting at is what if Naz had done all his best work at SBW? Would he be seen amongst the greats in that weight if he'd did what he did (unified titles etc etc) but then lost to MAB in a whitewash when he couldn't be bothered anymore?

 

imo, he is at physical peak from the peden, medina, gainer up to pac1. he could be on the slide now physically but he is the #2 p4p right now and is a still a very skillful boxer that we can still put him now in a prime stage. it also helps that his style contributes to his longetivity with less wear and tear.

 

Marquez UD. Marquez is an intelligent, aggressive counter-puncher with well-rounded skills, a good defence, excellent powers of recovery and fast hands. He would not take long to work out Hamed's dire defence and telegraphed punches, and would box Naz's ears off en route to a clear UD.

Though I wouldn't rule out a Marquez stoppage. Hamed's chin is SPECTACULARLY overrated on this forum, and JMM had good power at fw and is a good finisher.

 

Prime Hamed was very different to the version MAB fought , all credit to Barrera though for the win. But Prime / peak Hamed was very , very special.

 

Prime Naz would have beaten anyone at Feather in history. His decline started when he left Brendan Ingle which was some time before he eventually lost to Barrera. By that time he was a shell of his former self

 

1 - You know nothing whatsoever about the history of the featherweight division if you think the Naseem Hamed who was beating guys the standard of Robinson, Alicea and Kelley could have beaten anyone at featherweight in history. It's a statement so absurd it doesn't even merit being refuted properly, as you clearly haven't even heard of Salvador Sanchez, Alexis Arguello, or Vicente Saldivar, never mind Willie Pep or Sandy Saddler, nor even the men from this generation who would've beaten him, Barrera (who did), Morales, Marquez and Pacquiao.

2 - His decline started when he left Ingle. Explain the difference between the performances against Kelley (with Ingle) and against Bungu (without Ingle, one year before the Barrera fight).

 

The thread title was 'Prime Naz' not end-of-the-road Naz.

 

You mean:

Prime Naz = the Naz who never fought anyone of real quality therefore looked sensational KO'ing tomato cans showing power and speed but little technical skill and poor defence.

End-of-the-road Naz = the Naz who turned in the best all-round performance of his career in March 2000, when he KO'd the best fighter he fought other than Barrera, Vuyani Bungu, without the aid of Brendan Ingle, and who then faced the very first elite level opponent of his career in Barrera and showed the same lack of technical skill and poor defence except this time it was exposed by a fighter on a completely different level to Steve Robinson or Wilfredo Vasquez.