Prime Ray Robinson is dumped into 2021 by a time machine

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  1. Colonel Sanders

    Colonel Sanders Classic discussion : small vs big, old vs modern banned Full Member

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    :cbiggrin: and he gets mee too'd hard
     
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  2. Bukkake

    Bukkake Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So you want to take some of the best boxers over a 60-year period (from Leonard to Leonard) and compare them to the best boxers TODAY? Sure, why not?

    But how about if we take some of the best boxers from the last 30 years - like Tyson, Holyfield, Whitaker, Lewis, Jones jr, DLH, Mayweather, Pac, Gonzalez, GGG, Ward, Inoue, Usyk, Mosley - and compare them to the best from, say, the year 1955? How do you think that would work out?

    And you think that Robinson's "utter destruction" of everybody in his path, could possibly go as high as up to LHW? Really?
     
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  3. Bujia

    Bujia Active Member Full Member

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    I, too, would like to know which skills have improved. The early 50s brought about the last regulation tweak that would alter standard technique: mandatory 8-10 oz gloves. The alteration being the implementation of the high guard, if that didn’t go without saying. Bigger gloves, bigger surface area, more padding, better blocking protection, etc.

    Nowadays you have a healthy mix of high, mid, and low guards same as the fighters of the 60s. Maybe a tad more high guard oriented now because it’s the first thing modern generation boxers are taught. Still, that’s not really a technical improvement per se’. Just an adjustment. The basic fundamentals go back a century.
     
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  4. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Boxing skill hasn`t improved since the 50`s and Ray was a master at everything.
     
  5. lbarrow

    lbarrow Active Member Full Member

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    Robinson beats everyone in 2021 at welter and light middle. Probably beats most of the middleweights too even if he wanted to weigh in at 150.
     
  6. Bujia

    Bujia Active Member Full Member

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    I wouldn’t call him a master at everything. He wasn’t a very good infighter, for instance. Not great defensively, either. Good, not great. He was a very good outboxer, but he never struck me as a master technician. He was tall, used a very good jab, and was exceptionally graceful on his feet. Not much beyond that in the pure boxing sense, though that typically did him well enough.

    He was a master at instantly breaking rhythm from rangy boxing to explosive combination punching. That was another aspect made possible by his great feet. And his combination punching in full swing was unparalleled by anyone, ever.
     
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  7. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    His hooks were insane.
     
  8. SambaKing1993

    SambaKing1993 Don't do it Zachary! Full Member

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    Link me to video footage of him looking more impressive than Leonard, Pacquiao, Jones, Tyson...
     
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  9. Devon

    Devon Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Fighters from today are much more explosive and athletic and punch way more tight and sharp and these are all vital aspects
     
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  10. Devon

    Devon Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I do agree especially with the defense, people don't seem to mention that he did get hit quite a bit, I watched one of his fights not long ago and whilst he wasn't getting hit with huge punches, he was getting hit quite a bit
     
  11. young griffo

    young griffo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There you go. It took me all of 10 seconds. Try Google sometime. It works a treat.
     
  12. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Robinson was more skilled than Leonard and Jones, they were just great athletes, Manny had more flaws than Ray. Tyson was better at getting into positions where he could throw shots but Ray was far better at getting those shots off from good positions.
     
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  13. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Amazing combos.
     
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  14. mark ant

    mark ant Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Ray was a better combo puncher than any fighter in history, Spence doesn`t punch correctly and is very stiff, Bud is far nearer to Ray`s level but lacks his craft, he would toy with the rest of the welters fighting today, tame bunch.
     
  15. greynotsoold

    greynotsoold Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There was another, the change from leather to rubber soled shoes.