Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by bluebird, Jan 26, 2021.
and he gets mee too'd hard
So you want to take some of the best boxers over a 60-year period (from Leonard to Leonard) and compare them to the best boxers TODAY? Sure, why not?
But how about if we take some of the best boxers from the last 30 years - like Tyson, Holyfield, Whitaker, Lewis, Jones jr, DLH, Mayweather, Pac, Gonzalez, GGG, Ward, Inoue, Usyk, Mosley - and compare them to the best from, say, the year 1955? How do you think that would work out?
And you think that Robinson's "utter destruction" of everybody in his path, could possibly go as high as up to LHW? Really?
I, too, would like to know which skills have improved. The early 50s brought about the last regulation tweak that would alter standard technique: mandatory 8-10 oz gloves. The alteration being the implementation of the high guard, if that didn’t go without saying. Bigger gloves, bigger surface area, more padding, better blocking protection, etc.
Nowadays you have a healthy mix of high, mid, and low guards same as the fighters of the 60s. Maybe a tad more high guard oriented now because it’s the first thing modern generation boxers are taught. Still, that’s not really a technical improvement per se’. Just an adjustment. The basic fundamentals go back a century.
Boxing skill hasn`t improved since the 50`s and Ray was a master at everything.
Robinson beats everyone in 2021 at welter and light middle. Probably beats most of the middleweights too even if he wanted to weigh in at 150.
I wouldn’t call him a master at everything. He wasn’t a very good infighter, for instance. Not great defensively, either. Good, not great. He was a very good outboxer, but he never struck me as a master technician. He was tall, used a very good jab, and was exceptionally graceful on his feet. Not much beyond that in the pure boxing sense, though that typically did him well enough.
He was a master at instantly breaking rhythm from rangy boxing to explosive combination punching. That was another aspect made possible by his great feet. And his combination punching in full swing was unparalleled by anyone, ever.
His hooks were insane.
Link me to video footage of him looking more impressive than Leonard, Pacquiao, Jones, Tyson...
Fighters from today are much more explosive and athletic and punch way more tight and sharp and these are all vital aspects
I do agree especially with the defense, people don't seem to mention that he did get hit quite a bit, I watched one of his fights not long ago and whilst he wasn't getting hit with huge punches, he was getting hit quite a bit
There you go. It took me all of 10 seconds. Try Google sometime. It works a treat.
Robinson was more skilled than Leonard and Jones, they were just great athletes, Manny had more flaws than Ray. Tyson was better at getting into positions where he could throw shots but Ray was far better at getting those shots off from good positions.
Ray was a better combo puncher than any fighter in history, Spence doesn`t punch correctly and is very stiff, Bud is far nearer to Ray`s level but lacks his craft, he would toy with the rest of the welters fighting today, tame bunch.
There was another, the change from leather to rubber soled shoes.