prime razor ruddock vs joe frazier of 71 ???

I think Joe Frazier would be chilled by the thought of fighting Razor Ruddock after seeing him having a panic attack whilst facing the legendary David Jaco! Haha

 

Fists Of Fury is the nearest with his observations.

This is NOT a walk in the park for Joe. The kid Ruddock was big and strong enough to manhandle Joe, to create space for his hook cum uppercut, and he sure enough hit hard enough to drop, or KO Joe.

This could just as easily go the way of Foreman / Frazier, as it could for what most are saying, mid to late stoppage for Joe.

Frazier needed a few rounds to get " smokin " Rudduck might just end it before he gets the chance.

 

This a very good match up. Ruddock hit as hard as just about anyone in the heavyweight division so without doubt there is a possibility he could KO Frazier. I think there is no doubt Frazier would definitely eat the Smash from Ruddock and other big power punches. But much like Tyson did I think Frazier would take these power shots from Ruddock and come back with more of his own. I'd picture Ruddock winning the first and maybe the second round big. I'd expect Frazier to be constantly coming forward Ruddock to land some devastating punches and look to have Frazier in trouble. I'd also expect Ruddock to clinch at times when Frazier gets in close. From around the third round on I'd expect Ruddock to gradually slow down as Frazier comes on and hammers him to the body and head. As the fight progresses I'd expect Ruddock to clinch more and Frazier unlike Tyson who slowed down as the fight progressed I'd expect Frazier to continue a torrent pace throughout, breaking down Ruddock to the body and landing big left hooks to the head. Ruddock proved to be very durable in the fights with Tyson and I'd expect like in the fight with Tyson that Ruddock would still land occasional devastating punches throughout even while tiring but overall I feel Frazier would be in command. I'd picture Frazier wearing Ruddock out around the 8th and taking him out with a devastating body attack and a few big left hooks to the jaw eventually leaving Ruddock down and out or slumped up against the ropes forcing the ref to stop the bout. Ruddock could potentially go the distance but I'd expect him to overall take a frightful beating from Frazier though taking a price from Frazier much like he did from Tyson.

 

After absorbing some heavy punishment early on,Joe's pressure gets to Donovan by the ninth or tenth.

 

No.

 

You might be able to say Frazier, but against an opponent like Ruddock I am not sure you could say with very little doubt. Prime Frazier (Of whom I may be his biggest fan) took 11 rounds to dispatch Mathis who is certainly not Ruddock's superior....went the distance with Bonavena in that same time frame. I do think Frazier gets underrated on this forum and that is without considering the moronic elroy! But Ruddock was not an easy out for anyone!

Best fighters that Ruddock beat? Bonecrusher, Weaver, Dokes, a faded Page....not great but decent scalps comparable to anyone Frazier beat outside of Ali.

Ruddock was not a 1 armed nor predictable fighter by any means....unless you never heard or him nor watched him prior to Tyson. Ruddock was a bad man....by my estimation he had already begun to slip around the time of the Bonecrusher fight...after that he turned into a head hunting power puncher seeking that 1 big blow.....Which works fine on limited challengers but not the elite. Watch some earlier stuff and you will discover his arsenal is not as limited as you make it out be.

So-so chin...wow? I am not even a Ruddock fan (although I guess you could call me an appreciator), but have you watched the blows he absorbed against Tyson alone? Wow...I don't even know how to respond to this?

A 32 y/o vary faded and skill eroded Ruddock is who Morrison beat....How do you think Morrison would do vs a Prime Ruddock?

 

An often regurgitated myth along with 1 armed fighter....

 

Classic

 

Is this the Razor Ruddock who defeated Tyson, Lewis, Morrison et al? O no of course he lost those fights! What on earth makes people think he had a cat in hell's chance against a prime Frazier who in 71 was able to defeat Ali. Even though Frazier's style meant that he had a relatively short prime he was a true championship performer during those years a quality that could not be attributed to Ruddock who failed on the big occasion.

 

Yet another brilliant dissertation!

 

Nothing mythical about it at all. The level of opponent went up, Joe needed to get his rhythm going. Which is why Yank Durham urged him to " Get out there and make smoke come from those gloves. You can make smoke boy. Just don't let up "

As for the 1 armed fighter, I'd imagine only Ray Charles or Stevie Wonder might believe that.

 

Please describe the fights you are referring to please? The Mathis fight where Frazier swept every round from the 2nd on? The Quarry fights? I hear this all the time...rather than a generality give an example...Again, having studied Frazier's career numerous times, this is vastly overplayed and not consistent with actually in ring performance. IMHO of course...I am always willing to learn something new.

 

atsch

 

Oh I don't think you are. I'd say you pretty much think you know most things anyway.

However why don't you start with the 3 obvious examples, just to keep it easy. Do you reckon Joe took the early rounds in ANY of the Ali fights?

Of course we KNOW for sure he didn't in the Foreman fight now don't we?

We can always talk about him getting floored in the first by Mike Bruce, and dropped twice in the 2nd by Bonavena later if you like.